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[WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:31 pm

I was walking by an electronic billboard that had the daily headlines on it, and I saw that the same thing had happened three times. It happened to a young girl, and I was happy. It happened to a mountain, and I was happy. It happened to a man, and I was very sad. What had happened to them?

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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:14 am

HAAHAHAH I noticed that you appreciate "what is the connection..." style puzzles. Great!

girl = HAF? A statue? A picture of a girl? A mountain called the "young girl"? (e.g. by Indians) Man = HAM?
Had it been displayed in TV would you have had the same reaction? Had you read it on the newspaper? On three different newspapers? Had you saw such news separately from another (e.g. you saw just the news of the man) or in a different order, would your reaction have been the same?
Did the same thing happen in different timings for the three? At the same time? With a time span of days? Weeks? Did it have the same consequences on the 3? Different reaction for girl and man due to their different gender? To the fact that it happened under different circumstances to the man? Are the three events connected? Did they happen to the three at the same time in the same place?

Mountain: a specific mountain (e.g. Mount Rushmore...so that it is plausible that what happened to the mountain could have happened to a human being since sculptures of human faces are represented on it)?; did it happen to a specific part of the mountain: e.g. trees? Vegetation? Fauna? landslides relevant? Lava? Volcano? Ice? Snow? avalanche? Others?

Did the same exact thing happened to the 3? Could it have happened also to you? To every human being? To an animal? Does it deal with: environment? natural events? Being ill? (or being "hill" in the case of the mountain xD) being cured? Having found out a remedy for a disease? Technology relevant?


Were you happy because: it allowed to save the life of people living on (under) the mountain? The life of the girl? It gave recognition to the girl? It allowed to discover something?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:12 am

Would most people be happy about the two first ones and sad about the last one?
Did it change the actual mountain in any way? Was it a name change? Did the man cause it to happen to him? Was the man sad that it happened to him? Was the man dead?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Had they been discovered? Found? Is this to do with measurements, e.g. height? Is it relevant where these things happened? All in the same country or region?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:19 pm

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HAAHAHAH I noticed that you appreciate "what is the connection..." style puzzles. Great! Rule of Three, amico mio!

girl = H yes A no F? yes A statue? no A picture of a girl? no A mountain called the "young girl"? (e.g. by Indians) no Man = HAM? yes
Had it been displayed in TV would you have had the same reaction? yes Had you read it on the newspaper? yes On three different newspapers? yes Had you saw such news separately from another (e.g. you saw just the news of the man) or in a different order, would your reaction have been the same? yes
Did the same thing happen in different timings for the three? At the same time? With a time span of days? this; they weren't totally simultaneous but they all happened at about the same time Weeks? no to rest Did it have the same consequences on the 3? yesish to yes Different reaction for girl and man due to their different gender? no To the fact that it happened under different circumstances to the man? yes Are the three events connected? no Did they happen to the three at the same time see above in the same place? no

Mountain: a specific mountain (e.g. Mount Rushmore...so that it is plausible that what happened to the mountain could have happened to a human being since sculptures of human faces are represented on it)?; It is not a relevant specific, well-known mountain did it happen to a specific part of the mountain no: e.g. trees? Vegetation? Fauna? n/a to all landslides relevant? Lava? Volcano? Ice? Snow? avalanche? no to all Others? this is too vague to answer

Did the same exact thing happened to the 3? one exact same thing had happened to all three, although the broader contexts are different Could it have happened also to you? yes (and indeed already has) To every human being? yes To an animal? yes Does it deal with: environment? yes, by virtue of it having happened to a mountain natural events? no Being ill? not in these cases, although it could (or being "hill" in the case of the mountain xD) being able to pun in another language is a sure sign you're getting comfortable in it being cured? no Having found out a remedy for a disease? no Technology relevant? no

Were you happy because: it allowed to save the life of people living on (under) the mountain? The life of the girl? no to both It gave recognition to the girl? yes It allowed to discover something? noish

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Would most people be happy about the two first ones yope to yes and sad about the last one? yes
Did it change the actual mountain in any way? see next Was it a name change? yesish! Did the man cause it to happen to him? not actively Was the man sad that it happened to him? no, see next Was the man dead? yes

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Had they been discovered? Found? no to both, but ORT Is this to do with measurements, e.g. height? no Is it relevant where these things happened? no All in the same country assume yes, but specific country is irrelevant or region? not necessarily
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:48 am

Namechange-ish: change of description? Age of girl relevant? Was her description changed from little girl to school girl? Was the mountain reclassified? Was the description of the man changed to deceased? Late? Were you sad because a man died?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:54 pm

being able to pun in another language is a sure sign you're getting comfortable in it  --> thanks! I think is thanks to the members of the forum I am getting much more comfortable with english and lateral thinking. Btw, you also are good in italian: ottimo lavoro!!

To be sure: first names? Nicknames? Surnames? Last names?


Girl = real world girl? A puppet? A death girl? A cartoon? Are new names given to the three? Relevant the names they had before? Did they have a name? All three? If so To the girl it was given another girl name? Same q for mountain and man please. Are double names relevant? Titles (e.g. "Mr, Dr, Prof, others?)? Is the name given to the mountain the name of an event? Name of a man?

Were the names given to someone/something else before?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby gregoryuconn » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:37 am

Given a title/antecedent/whatever you call it? So the mountain was given Mount or something like that , the dead guy was given "the late", and the girl was given something else that was adorable or I don't know?

Exploring the yope to the question about whether people would be happy about the first two.... Would most or all people be happy about the girl specifically? Some? Few if any? Same questions for the mountain specifically?

WAG: Did the girl come out as trans so she got the title Miss rather than Mr. and some people, yourself included, would be happy for her being able to do so but others wouldn't?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:38 pm

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Namechange-ish: change of description? no Age of girl relevant? yes Was her description changed from little girl to school girl? no Was the mountain reclassified? noish Was the description of the man changed to deceased? yes, although this is something of a by-product Late? but no to this Were you sad because a man died? yes

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To be sure: first names? yes Nicknames? no Surnames? Last names? Respectively, not relevantly, no and yes.

Girl = real world girl? yes A puppet? A death girl? A cartoon? no to these Are new names given to the three? not to all three, good question Relevant the names they had before? no Did they have a name? one did All three? no If so To the girl it was given another girl name? no Same q for mountain and man please No to these, too . Are double names relevant? no Titles (e.g. "Mr, Dr, Prof, others?)? no - but I'd love to see a mountain called Dr. Peake, or something Is the name given to the mountain the name of an event? Name of a man? irrel to both

Were the names given to someone/something else before? no

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Given a title/antecedent/whatever you call it? no So the mountain was given Mount or something like that , the dead guy was given "the late", and the girl was given something else that was adorable or I don't know? Nice thinking, but no (perhaps she could have been a royal who was given a title)

Exploring the yope to the question about whether people would be happy about the first two.... Would most or all people be happy about the girl specifically? I would say most Some? Few if any? Same questions for the mountain specifically? Some - this would prove controversial

WAG: Did the girl come out as trans so she got the title Miss rather than Mr. and some people, yourself included, would be happy for her being able to do so but others wouldn't? incorrect

I do wonder if, in the days of the Roman empire, a border shift could have resulted in a mountain in Cis-alpine Gaul now being in Trans-alpine Gaul. But that's another puzzle.
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:43 pm

Denali/McKinley? Uluru/Ayers Rock?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:35 pm

Denali/McKinley? Uluru/Ayers Rock? irrelevant (remember this is not based on any nameable mountain), but you have hit on the nature of why it would be controversial
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:16 am

was the girl a newborn? an orphan? If the latter, had she been adopted? Relevant? Did she change her name with the one of the new family?

Did they have a name? one did -->a common name? a famous name? an English name? relevant? the one who had the name was: the girl? The mountain? The man? I am guessing the man. Did the man die a long time ago? Years? Decades? Centuries (e.g. his body was part of a museum)? Relevant?

Did they have a name? one did --> does it mean that the other two did not have a name? Relevant? Or maybe that they had more than a name? That they were known with nicknames? With derogatory names? With numbers (e.g. the mountain was known just with latitude and longitude)? Was the mountain a well known mountain? A mountain on Earth? Under the level of the sea? A mountain known with a name meaning "no name"?

Are new names given to the three? not to all three --> so old names have been kept (e.g. they had more than a name and one of the two had been chosen)? Or maybe the names are not new just because they did not have one before? Did they stay anonymous? Is anonymity beneficial? (maybe for all except the man, who was known as "Unknown Soldier" and whose name had been revealed to the public) Maybe the man did not want to be known? Did not want to reveal his name? Is his tombstone relevant? Did he have a name on it? Did no one remember his name? Was the full name revealed? Was it unusual to call him like that?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:57 pm

was the girl a newborn? yes an orphan? If the latter, had she been adopted? Relevant? n/a to all Did she change her name 'change her name' may mislead with the one of the new family? no

Did they have a name? one did -->a common name? a famous name? an English name? relevant? irrel to all the one who had the name was: the girl? The mountain? The man? him I am guessing the man. You are correct Did the man die a long time ago? no Years? Decades? Centuries (e.g. his body was part of a museum)? no to these Relevant? yes

Did they have a name? one did --> does it mean that the other two did not have a name? yes Relevant? yes Or maybe that they had more than a name? That they were known with nicknames? With derogatory names? no to these With numbers (e.g. the mountain was known just with latitude and longitude)? this is true for the mountain, but not for the newborn girl, not least of all as she tended to move around a bit Was the mountain a well known mountain? no A mountain on Earth? yes Under the level of the sea? no A mountain known with a name meaning "no name"? no

Are new names given to the three? not to all three --> so old names have been kept (e.g. they had more than a name and one of the two had been chosen)? no Or maybe the names are not new just because they did not have one before? this is true in 2 cases Did they stay anonymous? no Is anonymity beneficial? (maybe for all except the man, who was known as "Unknown Soldier" and whose name had been revealed to the public no, but ORT - it is true that the man had been anonymous for a period, then his name was released to the public) Maybe the man did not want to be known? Did not want to reveal his name? no to both Is his tombstone relevant? no Did he have a name on it? assume his tombstone would have his name on it Did no one remember his name? no Was the full name revealed? yes Was it unusual to call him like that? In the words of Tom Jones, it's not unusual
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:16 am

Was a name given to the newborn girl? Was the name of the three published? Used for the first time? They had been called with their name in public for the first time?
Did you know the man by name (or maybe the billboard had to specify who he was, maybe by specifying what he did in life?)? Have you ever heard the name of the man? Relevant?

Assuming that their names were used to call them on the billboard (is it correct?), is it relevant which specific names were used? Did you deduce that the names referred to the girl, the mountain and the man?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:51 pm

Was a name given to the newborn girl? yes Was the name of the three published? yes Used for the first time? yes in two cases They had been called with their name in public for the first time? yes in the same two cases
Did you know the man by name no (or maybe the billboard had to specify who he was, maybe by specifying what he did in life?)? The billlboard didn't, but any related news article would have Have you ever heard the name of the man? Relevant? irrelevant

Assuming that their names were used to call them on the billboard (is it correct?) no - the billboard did not give the specific names, is it relevant which specific names were used? no Did you deduce that the names referred to the girl, the mountain and the man? I did not have to use any deductive reasoning
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Did you see a picture on the billboard? A writing? Relevant? Had the man not died would the thing have happened to him? Relevant the reason why a name was given to the mountain? Or at least why it did not have a name before? Is their identity relevant? Relevant who the newblrn was? Where she born (on the mountain?)? In which cirumstances? Was a name given to her by her parents? Immediately after she born? Relevant? Had the fact that she born a national interest? Royal family relevant? National soil? Religion? Culture? Others? Relevant the causes of the man's death? Natural causes? Was he killed? With a weapon? Relevant? Suicide? Relevant who he was? Did he have a stage name? Was he known with his first name? Registry office relevant?

To be sure: were you happy for the two because a name had been given to them? But this is not the same thing that happened to the man right? (And also it is not the puzzle's solution) does the thing that the three have in common deal with their name directly? Is it something burocratic? Was the man given a new name? Privacy relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:47 pm

Did you see a picture on the billboard? no A writing? yes Relevant? no Had the man not died would the thing have happened to him? no Relevant the reason why a name was given to the mountain? Or at least why it did not have a name before? yes to both, for context Is their identity relevant? whose? Relevant who the newblrn was? yesish Where she born (on the mountain?)? no In which cirumstances? no, the 'who' is more important Was a name given to her by her parents? yes Immediately after she born? no Relevant? yes Had the fact that she born a national interest? yes Royal family relevant? no but ORT National soil? Not sure what you mean Religion? no Culture? not really Others? yes Relevant the causes of the man's death? yesish Natural causes? no Was he killed? With a weapon? Relevant? Suicide? these are all possibilities, although not necessarily the only circumstances under which this puzzle could happen Relevant who he was? no (reading this as 'his place in the world' rather than 'his name') Did he have a stage name? no Was he known with his first name? yes Registry office relevant? no

To be sure: were you happy for the two because a name had been given to them? yes But this is not the same thing that happened to the man right? He wasn't given a name for the first time, but the connection is to do with naming (And also it is not the puzzle's solution) does the thing that the three have in common deal with their name directly? It doesn't deal with the specific names, but it is to do with the fact that they have names Is it something burocratic? yes, but this is just a matter of process - the solution doesn't really hinge on the paperwork Was the man given a new name? no Privacy relevant? potentially, in the man's case
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:37 am

Was a name given to her by her parents? yes Immediately after she born? no Relevant? yes Had the fact that she born a national interest? yes Royal family relevant? no but ORT --> did the parents need to wait for something to happen before giving her a name? For someone's approval? National interest: relevant which nation? May I invoke the list for the sake of simplicity? President of USA relevant? Did the newborn risk to die as well (maybe this is the reason why the parents did not gave her a name as soon as she was born? Or maybe because they already decided one before?)?

National interest: because something happened to the newborn? (e.g. she suffered a relevant disease) Because of who she was? Was she important? Did she belong to an important family? Was she the first child? Because she was a female? Relevant who were her parents?

Do people usually call them by name? Relevant how people used to call the mountain and the man? Did people know their existence? If not, do people now know that they exist? Is "writing" their names relevant? Are books? Is internet relevant? Wikipedia page? Updates? Others?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:31 am

Was a name given to her by her parents? yes Immediately after she born? no Relevant? yes Had the fact that she born a national interest? yes Royal family relevant? no but ORT --> did the parents need to wait for something to happen before giving her a name? no For someone's approval? National interest: relevant which nation? May I invoke the list for the sake of simplicity? This happened in New Zealand, but could have happened under the same circumstances in many countries President of USA relevant? no Did the newborn risk to die as well no (maybe this is the reason why the parents did not gave her a name as soon as she was born? Or maybe because they already decided one before?)?

National interest: because something happened to the newborn? yes, FAs lurking (e.g. she suffered a relevant disease) nothing like this Because of who she was? Was she important? Did she belong to an important family? strong yes to these Was she the first child? Because she was a female? these are both true but irrelevant Relevant who were her parents? yes

Do people usually call them by name? yes Relevant how people used to call the mountain and the man? no Did people know their existence? yes If not, do people now know that they exist? The news would have made more people aware of them, yes Is "writing" their names relevant? no, but explore Are books? Is internet relevant? Wikipedia page? Updates? Potentially all of the above, for the same reason Others?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:58 am

Is it relevant the reason why her family was important? If so, is the family important because of: politics (e.g. prime minister?)? Money? Power? Prestige? Noble titles? Is a single member of the family famous (e.g. a sport man? A musician? An actor? a politician? A writer? A showman? TV/Cinema relevant? Others?)? The whole family (e.g. Jackson's five or something like that)? Is the choice of the newborn's name random (among the ones preferred by the parents)? A name already belonging to a member (present or past) of the family? Relevant? Did the news tell just that a name has been given to the newborn? Is inheritance relevant (e.g. the very rich father had a disease)? Can we assume she born naturally from her mother belly? Artificial insemination relevant? C-section? Others?

To be sure: is there a relevant connection between the deceased man and the family of the newborn baby?
Is the distinction between feminine names and masculine ones relevant? Can we assume that also the mountain was in New Zealand? Also the man? And that the names of the three are all in English? If so, relevant? And the first name was given to the man by his parents right? Relevant who gave the name to the mountain? An explorer? A
geographer? A politician? Was the mountain on a boundary? Was a name given after a relevant event (e.g. a peace? A disaster? Its own discovery? Flora and/or fauna? A war? It has been climbed for the first time?)? Do someone relevantly live on the mountain? Is the mountain very high? Had the mountain been discovered/fully explored already before giving her a name?

Is it known exactly how the man deceased?

The connection has something to do with their naming --> meaning it has to do with the names they had been given?With the way (conditions/circumstances) in which a name had been given to them? Pictures relevant? The fact that such names appeared for the first time on a national TV? The fact that all 3 names have been misspelled/wrongly written by news teller? Are Maori relevant? Is the connection direct? I mean...for instance the name the baby is the same of the mountain (since I expect they are both feminine names)?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:33 am

Is it relevant the reason why her family was important? no If so, is the family important because of: politics (e.g. prime minister? But, since you asked, this headline concerns the Prime Minister's newborn daughter)? Money? Power? Prestige? Noble titles? see previous Is a single member of the family famous mainly, but the others are famous by association (e.g. a sport man? A musician? An actor? a politician? this, as established A writer? A showman? TV/Cinema relevant? Others?)? The whole family (e.g. Jackson's five or something like that)? see previous Is the choice of the newborn's name random (among the ones preferred by the parents)? no A name already belonging to a member (present or past) of the family? Relevant? irrelevant

Did the news tell just that a name has been given to the newborn? This is the level of detail it gave, and also the relevant action. So how does it relate to the other two affected parties (and my mood?)

Is inheritance relevant (e.g. the very rich father had a disease)? no Can we assume she born naturally from her mother belly? yes Artificial insemination relevant? C-section? Others? no to all

To be sure: is there a relevant connection between the deceased man and the family of the newborn baby? no
Is the distinction between feminine names and masculine ones relevant? no Can we assume that also the mountain was in New Zealand? Also the man? yes to all And that the names of the three are all in English? irrel If so, relevant? No (the name of the mountain wasn't in English, which was where the controversy would be. This is all incidental) And the first name was given to the man by his parents right? Yes, some time ago Relevant who gave the name to the mountain? no An explorer? A
geographer? A politician? n/a to all - It would have been approved by the NZ Geographic Board, if you had to know Was the mountain on a boundary? irrelevant Was a name given after a relevant event (e.g. a peace? A disaster? Its own discovery? Flora and/or fauna? A war? It has been climbed for the first time?)? no Do someone relevantly live on the mountain? no Is the mountain very high? no (and irrelevant) Had the mountain been discovered/fully explored already before giving her a name? no

Is it known exactly how the man deceased? yes

The connection has something to do with their naming --> meaning it has to do with the names they had been given? see next With the way (conditions/circumstances) in which a name had been given to them? yes Pictures relevant? no The fact that such names appeared for the first time on a national TV? Yes, this is the most relevant detail so far The fact that all 3 names have been misspelled/wrongly written by news teller? no Are Maori relevant? Yes, but not to this puzzle Is the connection direct? I mean...for instance the name the baby is the same of the mountain (since I expect they are both feminine names)? no
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:45 am

Maybe the fact that they had more than a name (and so they waited to reveal the full name because they had to think about all the names)?

The way in which a name had been given to them = by TVs? By parents/whoever gave them a name? Were the names given relevantly in different sections of the news (e.g. the name of the man in the daily bulletin, the name of the mountain in the weather forecasts and the name of the girl in the section devoted to news? Or last minute news?)? Is the order in which such news has been given relevant? Are fictitious names used relevantly?

Were you directly affected by the news of the names? Was the name given to them accidentally? Suddenly? Did TVs expect them to be given a name? Bets on the names relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:24 pm

The way in which a name had been given to them = by TVs? The Media in general had 'given' them a name, which is the relevant part

I am concerned that this could descend into several dozen posts of unimportant detail at this point, and that the solution hinges on particular semantics. I will post the spoiler now - let me know if it was premature.

***** SPOILER *****

The headlines said that they had all been named.

The Prime Minister's newborn daughter was christened. A mountain's name, as used by local Maori for hundreds of years, was given official recognition. A man who had died in a tragic accident had been identified and his name released to the public.


Congratulations, Earnest, on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing.
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Re: [WiZ] Little Miss Hap [HAPPENED]

Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:09 am

Thank you for the puzzle. I do not consider the spoiler premature since I was not thinking about these possible envelopes. So...yes cool one and keep on posting such interesting puzzles WiZ
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