[gregoryuconn] What If?

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[gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby gregoryuconn » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:30 am

Thousands of people died because the hurricane didn't make landfall.

True story. Please PM if you know this rather than spoil immediately.
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby Earnest » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:08 pm

Thousands of people: did they died on the sea? In the same place? Did the hurricane make relevant damages? Somewhere relevantly (e.g. on an island)? On the land? Are climate changes/travel stops relevant? landfall = the hurricane did not hit the land? The land where the thousands people have died?

Are forecasts relevant? Alarms? Different security procedures?

Did the people die for the same reason? Natural catastrophe? Absence of cures? Absence of food? Absence of communications? Lack of something relevant? Lack of assistance?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:30 am

Thousands of people: did they died on the sea? No In the same place? One of a few places Did the hurricane make relevant damages? No/b] Somewhere relevantly (e.g. on an island)? On the land? [b]N/A to these Are climate changes No/travel stops relevant? Can you clarify what you mean by this? landfall = the hurricane did not hit the land? Correct The land where the thousands people have died? Correct

Are forecasts relevant? No Alarms? No Different security procedures? Laterally but be careful FA.

Did the people die for the same reason? Yesish Natural catastrophe? No Absence of cures? No Absence of food? No Absence of communications? This may have been a factor for some of them but it definitely isn't the main reason. Lack of something relevant? No. Lack of assistance? Well some of them might have been saved with assistance but again there's a much more relevant and direct reason.
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby Earnest » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:55 am

travel stops relevant? Can you clarify what you mean by this? --> I meant hardships in departures with airplane or other means of transport.

Had the hurricane hit the land would some of the thousands of people have died due to the hurricane? Would their probability of surviving have increased a lot? (e.g. risk of dying due to the hurricane < risk of dying due to the reason of their death?) Had the hurricane hit the land it simply would not have hit them? Are viruses/illnesses/diseases relevant? Did they expect the hurricane to hit the land? Did they hope so? Did they know that they would have probably survived had the hurricane hit the land? Is internet relevant? Technology?

To be sure: are we talking about events (hurricane and people's death) whose connection took hours to days in order to apply right? I mean...the hurricane did not make landfall, then after few hours/months the people died due to this. Am I correct? Or maybe people died before the hurricane did not make landfall? Or again, the hurricane did not made landfall in the remote past not causing relevant geological changes which made collapse an infrastructure?

Cause of their death: diseases? Weapons? Suicide? Disaster? Bridge collapse? ( I guess that very bridges can be considered far from land enough to say that the hurricane did not make landfall by hitting them) Hurricane? Medical complications? Hearth attack? Avalanches?

Had the hurricane hit the land, would they have taken relevant precautions? Would they have gone somewhere else? Made something relevant that would have saved their lives? Or maybe the presence of the hurricane would not have allowed an enemy country to attack them? It would have kept away some animal/viruses?
Did people die: inside their houses? In a building? On an infrastructure? On a plane? At the same time? Due to the same event?

Did someone notice the hurricane? If so, did he/she give an alarm? Signal it to someone? Relevant?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:42 pm

travel stops relevant? Can you clarify what you mean by this? --> I meant hardships in departures with airplane or other means of transport. Yes!

Had the hurricane hit the land would some of the thousands of people have died due to the hurricane? Possibly a few but nowhere near as many Would their probability of surviving have increased a lot? (e.g. risk of dying due to the hurricane < risk of dying due to the reason of their death?) The ones who died anyway Had the hurricane hit the land it simply would not have hit them? Maybe Are viruses/illnesses/diseases relevant? No Did they expect the hurricane to hit the land? At some point it was a possibility but by the time they died it obviously wouldn’t Did they hope so? Did they know that they would have probably survived had the hurricane hit the land? Is internet relevant? Technology? No to all.

To be sure: are we talking about events (hurricane and people's death) whose connection took hours to days in order to apply right? I mean...the hurricane did not make landfall, then after few hours/months the people died due to this. Am I correct? They died at the time the hurricane mint have made landfall, but didn’t. Or maybe people died before the hurricane did not make landfall? Or again, the hurricane did not made landfall in the remote past not causing relevant geological changes which made collapse an infrastructure?

Cause of their death: diseases? Weapons? Yope, I guess. Suicide? For a few Disaster? DOYD but maybe Bridge collapse? ( I guess that very bridges can be considered far from land enough to say that the hurricane did not make landfall by hitting them) Hurricane? Medical complications? Hearth attack? Avalanches? No to rest.

Had the hurricane hit the land, would they have taken relevant precautions? The dead people? no. Would they have gone somewhere else? No! But be careful FA. Made something relevant that would have saved their lives? No. Or maybe the presence of the hurricane would not have allowed an enemy country to attack them? Yesish but extremely OTRT. It would have kept away some animal/viruses?
Did people die: inside their houses? In a building? Mostly. On an infrastructure? On a plane? For some. At the same time? More or less. Due to the same event? Yes or Yesish. No to the rest of these.

Did someone notice the hurricane? If so, did he/she give an alarm? Signal it to someone? Relevant? I mean, it’s hard not to notice a hurricane but none of this is relevant.
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:30 am

is atomic bomb relevant at all? Relevant which country? Japan? USA?

On a plane? For some --> Kamikaze? Normal people traveling by plane?
Suicide? For a few --> again: kamikaze? Or people suiciding because they know what would have happened if the hurricane had not hit the land? Hurricane hitting the land = no view? no way to take off? International conventions about war?

Weapons? Yope, I guess --> poisonous gasses? Bombs? guns? Tanks? Others?

I meant hardships in departures with airplane or other means of transport. Yes! --> hardships for departures of: military airplanes? Belonging to enemies? Airliners? Trains? Cars? Other means?

In a building? Mostly. --> inside the same building? Inside their houses? Did they know that they would have died had the hurricane not hit the land?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby gregoryuconn » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:48 am

is atomic bomb relevant at all? Relevant which country? Japan? USA? No to all.

On a plane? For some --> Kamikaze? This is not a completely inaccurate description for some of them, although I haven't seen it used to describe them. Normal people traveling by plane? Most of the ones on the planes were this.
Suicide? For a few --> again: kamikaze? Some of them Or people suiciding because they know what would have happened if the hurricane had not hit the land? Well the hurricane didn't hit land, that's not a hypothetical. But this is OTRT for a few more. Hurricane hitting the land = no view? Of what? no way to take off? Yes. International conventions about war? No.

Weapons? Yope, I guess --> poisonous gasses? Bombs? guns? Tanks? None of these. Others? Yesish - explore this in light of the answers above.

I meant hardships in departures with airplane or other means of transport. Yes! --> hardships for departures of: military airplanes? No. Belonging to enemies? No with a slight ish. Airliners? Yes. Trains? Cars? Other means?

In a building? Mostly. --> inside the same building? One of a few buildings. Inside their houses? Did they know that they would have died had the hurricane not hit the land? Again, the hurricane didn't hit land, and they died. And they likely knew or at least strongly suspected they were going to die somewhat before it happened, but after the hurricane would have made landfall but didn't..
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:54 am

Was there a relevant war? Disaster? Attack? Battle? Would they have died if the hurricane hit land? If there was no hurricane? Hurricane=the weather? The warplane?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby gregoryuconn » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:33 am

Was there a relevant war? Not to this puzzle, but..... Disaster? See next question. Attack? Yes! Battle? No Would they have died if the hurricane hit land? Probably not. If there was no hurricane? Yes. Hurricane=the weather? Probably not. The warplane? FA, also what about the plane?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:18 am

Were such people prisoners? Did they fight? Is the attack made by other human beings? Terrorist attack relevant? Twin towers?

hardships in departures with airliners --> Did they want to leave the land? Or maybe for the attack was it necessary an airliner to take off?
WAG --> In line with the 9/11 attack maybe: had the hurricane hit the land where the airliners of the attack had taken off, the twin towers would have been safe and no people would have died?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby gregoryuconn » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:55 am

Were such people prisoners? See next question Did they fight? Is the attack made by other human beings? Terrorist attack relevant? Twin towers? Bingo

hardships in departures with airliners --> Did they want to leave the land? Or maybe for the attack was it necessary an airliner to take off?
WAG --> In line with the 9/11 attack maybe: had the hurricane hit the land where the airliners of the attack had taken off, the twin towers would have been safe and no people would have died? Exactly.

****SPOILER****

One image that many people will never forget is just how blue the sky in New York City was the morning of 9/11 set against the burning towers. As it happened, a cold front had swept through the area the night before, bringing with it heavy rain, but had moved on through and the morning dawned bright and clear. That very same cold front kept Hurricane Erin out at sea, where it was indeed still churning on 9/11. Had it made landfall, there would have been massive flight delays and cancellations on the East Coast, and as the title alludes to, you have to wonder, what if....
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Re: [gregoryuconn] What If?

Postby Earnest » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:50 am

Sad story...thanks for the puzzle!
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