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Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:30 pm

A man is in a crowded room. He can barely move. He looks into the adjoining room and sees that it is on fire, and people are desperately leaping through the window. He feels greatly relieved. Why?

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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby gregoryuconn » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:58 pm

Is he trying to kill them? Is it a murder-suicide? Does he want them to die? Will they die if they jump out the window? If they don't?

Is the room he's in on fire too?

And to be clear = are they leaping out the window, or in, perhaps to save the people?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:50 pm

Is he trying to kill them? no Is it a murder-suicide? no Does he want them to die? no Will they die if they jump out the window? no If they don't? quite likely

Is the room he's in on fire too? no

And to be clear = are they leaping out the window yes, or in no, perhaps to save the people?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby trebor » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:29 am

Is he worried that the fire will spread to the room he’s in? Is he in mortal danger? Are the people in the room with him in danger? Are the people in the room next to him jumping out of the window because of the fire?

Is it relevant why he can’t move? Is he strapped in place? Unable to move because of bodies up against him? Is the room he’s in crowded with people? Living people? Is he in a relevant location? (PMing WAG.)
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:57 am

WAG: is he in a crowded movie theater, and "the adjoining room" is the movie they're watching? And the fire/jumping is the resolution of a tense moment in the plot?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:35 am

Elevator relevant? Ship sinking? A building falling down (e.g. the adjoining room was falling but everyone was safe and also the fire could not have spread in his room)


When leaping through the window did they land on the outside? If so, did they make a huge jump? A jump that could have killed them? Were there fireman or people ready to save them? Was the room where the man was crowded before the fire? Is the room normally crowded? Was it crowded because there was a fire? Was it very distant from the adjoining room? (E.g. a cableway ready to go? a subway? A train? Others?) was it part of a public building? Or maybe of a shuttle (contact with atmosphere = fire)? Relevant why the other room was on fire? Was it an accident? Were people leaping through the window in the other room in panic? Afraid?

Was the man relieved because people in the other room were safe? Because the fire was stopping? Because the fire would not have touched his room? Did people in the other room saw the room of the man? Had they got the opportunity would they have gone there? Adjoining = near on one side (relevant which?) ? Right above? Right below? (E.g. in a skyscreaper)

Crowded room = there were a lot of people (more than 100? More than 10? Was the room very big? Relevant?)? Of HAM/HAF? Was the man (and, in case, the other people in the room) safe from fire? Was the man standing? Assuming the room was crowded due to the presence of other people, were people in the crowded room trying to save themselves? Escaping? Did they want to go outside of the room? Through a window? An emergency exit? Was it easy to go from a room to the adjoint?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:20 pm

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Is he worried that the fire will spread to the room he’s in? yes, but perhaps irrelevant Is he in mortal danger? yes, but perhaps irrelevant Are the people in the room with him in danger? yes Are the people in the room next to him jumping out of the window because of the fire?
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Is it relevant why he can’t move? yes Is he strapped in place? no Unable to move because of bodies up against him? yes, small ish Is the room he’s in crowded with people? yes Living people? yes Is he in a relevant location? (PMing WAG.) WAG is incorrect

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WAG: is he in a crowded movie theater, and "the adjoining room" is the movie they're watching? no And the fire/jumping is the resolution of a tense moment in the plot? no

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Elevator relevant? Ship sinking? A building falling down (e.g. the adjoining room was falling but everyone was safe and also the fire could not have spread in his room) no to these

When leaping through the window did they land on the outside? yes If so, did they make a huge jump? A jump that could have killed them? no to both Were there fireman or people ready to save them? no Was the room where the man was crowded before the fire? yes Is the room normally crowded? often Was it crowded because there was a fire? no Was it very distant from the adjoining room? no, but... (E.g. a cableway ready to go? a subway? A train? ... it is on a train Others?) was it part of a public building? no Or maybe of a shuttle (contact with atmosphere = fire)? no Relevant why the other room was on fire? no Was it an accident? almost certainly Were people leaping through the window in the other room in panic? Afraid? yes to both

Was the man relieved because people in the other room were safe? no Because the fire was stopping? no Because the fire would not have touched his room? no Did people in the other room saw the room of the man? yes Had they got the opportunity would they have gone there? Not while their room was on fire, no Adjoining = near on one side yes (relevant which? No - this doesn't matter now we've established where this scene takes place) ? Right above? Right below? (E.g. in a skyscreaper) no to both

Crowded room = there were a lot of people yes (more than 100? More than 10? this Was the room very big? hard to answer Relevant no; the context is more relevant?)? Of HAM/HAF? a mix Was the man (and, in case, the other people in the room) safe from fire? no Was the man standing? yope Assuming the room was crowded due to the presence of other people, were people in the crowded room trying to save themselves? Escaping? Did they want to go outside of the room? Through a window? An emergency exit? Was it easy to go from a room to the adjoint? yes to all, but beware FAs about timeframes
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:27 am

Was he imprisoned? Hiding? War relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:27 am

So the man was on a train, right? And the adjoining room is a station? Or maybe the carriage of a near train? The carriage of the same train where he was? Was the train stopping? Moving? Starting to move? Was the train in a station? Was the train on time? Late? Had an announcement been made? Relevant? When looking into the adjoining room did he know that it was on fire? Did he expect it? Was he looking if the people were saving themselves? Did he know someone from the adjoining room? Was he looking for someone in particular? For something in particular? Did he find himself in the adjoining room before? Minutes before? Hours before? Relevant? Was he already on the train (assuming he was a passenger, right? And he was in a common carriage, correct?) when the fire started? Or maybe, did he go on the train to reach a certain destination? Did he want to take that train beforr? Or maybe he was on a train that was arriving? And hence the question is: did he want to go outside of the train exactly to that station? Assuming the fire was in a ststion, was it an ending station? Or maybe were there other ststions where the train would have stopped? Was it the starting station of the train? Relevant what was burning? Are clocks relevant? Newspapers? Pictures? Was he escaping from someone?

Had he not seen people leaping through the window would he have felt relieved anyway? Had he not seen through the window?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:56 pm

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Was he imprisoned? Hiding? War relevant? no to these

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So the man was on a train, right? correct And the adjoining room is a station? Or maybe the carriage of a near train? no to both The carriage of the same train where he was? yes Was the train stopping? Moving? both of these, at varous relevant times - explore Starting to move? no Was the train in a station? no Was the train on time? Late? irrelevant to both Had an announcement been made? no Relevant? yes When looking into the adjoining room did he know that it was on fire? yes Did he expect it? not at all Was he looking if the people were saving themselves? no Did he know someone from the adjoining room? irrelevant Was he looking for someone in particular? yes For something in particular? yesish Did he find himself in the adjoining room before? Minutes before? Hours before? Relevant? he was never relevantly in the adjoining room Was he already on the train (assuming he was a passenger, right? And he was in a common carriage, correct?) yes, and correct on both counts when the fire started? yes Or maybe, did he go on the train to reach a certain destination? irrelevant Did he want to take that train beforr? assume yes Or maybe he was on a train that was arriving? irrelevant And hence the question is: did he want to go outside of the train exactly to that station? this is not the solution Assuming the fire was in a ststion, it wasn't was it an ending station? Or maybe were there other ststions where the train would have stopped? Was it the starting station of the train? irrel to these Relevant what was burning? other than 'the train', no Are clocks relevant? Newspapers? Pictures? no to these Was he escaping from someone? no, but explore

Had he not seen people leaping through the window would he have felt relieved anyway? yes (although this would be mingled with whatever he felt in seeing people sitting calmly on a burning train carriage) Had he not seen through the window? no
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:17 am

Did he look to the adjoining room when the train was moving? Soon after a stop? When the train stopped? Was he chased by someone? Are ticket inspectors relevant? Can we assume that he had a regular ticket? Did he break the law somehow? Did the train stop when the carriage was on fire? Relevant? Was the adjoining carriage the only one on fire? Relevant?

Did he see the someone/something he was looking for when looking at the adjoining carriage? Was him relieved because he did not see he/she/it? Because he/she would not come in his same carriage?
Did the someone he was looking for move from his own carriage to the adjoining one? Or maybe from another carriage without having passed from his carriage?
Did he know for sure that the someone was on the train? Did he want to verify it? Did the someone get on the train? If so, relevant the reason why? Because he/she was looking for the man (can we call him John?)?
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Postby trebor » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:50 pm

Had he set the fire? Is his profession relevant? Is he a criminal? Was the person he was looking for in the adjoining room an acquaintance of his? Friend? Lover? Family member? Enemy? Co-worker? Politician? Celebrity? A business person? Perhaps a rival?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:27 am

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Did he look to the adjoining room when the train was moving? yes Soon after a stop? no When the train stopped? also yes Was he chased by someone? no Are ticket inspectors relevant? Yes, FA lurking Can we assume that he had a regular ticket? yes, he did Did he break the law somehow? almost Did the train stop when the carriage was on fire? yes Relevant? yes Was the adjoining carriage the only one on fire? most likely yes Relevant? no

Did he see the someone/something he was looking for when looking at the adjoining carriage? no Was him relieved because he did not see he/she/it? no Because he/she would not come in his same carriage? no
Did the someone he was looking for move from his own carriage to the adjoining one? no Or maybe from another carriage without having passed from his carriage? no
Did he know for sure that the someone was on the train? yes Did he want to verify it? no Did the someone get on the train? yes If so, relevant the reason why? for context Because he/she was looking for the man this is not why they boarded the train (can we call him John?)? sure

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Had he set the fire? no Is his profession relevant? no Is he a criminal? no Was the person he was looking for in the adjoining room an acquaintance of his? Friend? Lover? Family member? Enemy? Co-worker? Politician? Celebrity? A business person? Perhaps a rival? no to all
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Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:21 am

Is the someone he was looking for the ticket inspector? Was John aware of almost having broken the law? Had he not get on the train, would he have broken the law? Did he bring something relevant on the train (e.g. a weapon)?

Did he break the law somehow? almost --> a minor crime? not paying something? Introducing something on the train? smoking? Could he have been accused of having provoked the fire? He was sit on the place reserved for handicapped people? He felt bad because the carriage was crowded? Identity card relevant? His nationality? Did he relevantly interact with someone? Phone relevant? Internet? Posting pictures?

Did he know for sure that the someone was on the train? yes --> ok, can I assume the following relevant timeline?:
1) train was moving; 2) train on fire; 3) train stopped ? If so, did he know that the someone was already on the train in 1)?; in 2)? Only in 3)? Did the someone managed to reach John's carriage? If not, because of the fire? Did John got off the train as well? Did the someone know John? Did John know the someone? If not, was him able to easily identify them? Because they wore a uniform? Relevant the profession of the someone? Did John see them getting on the train before the fire? Did he see them in the adjoining carriage? Were they criminal? Did he know they had bad intentions (e.g. they were waiting to place a bomb in the train which instead went on fire before thus saving people from the explosion that would have happened)? Did the train started again after the stop due to the fire? If so, did they get on? Did John? Had he seen the someone in the other carriage would he have been relieved? Neutral? Would he have deduced that he/she was on his same carriage? Outside of the train? Somewhere else relevantly?

Did he see the someone/something he was looking for when looking at the adjoining carriage? no --> was the someone in his own carriage? In another one? Was he able to see who was in his carriage? If not, because it was too crowded? Was the someone outside of the train? Did the someone has something important? Something dangerous? Is it relevant that is carriage was crowded? Was it more crowded than before the fire? Is fire alarm relevant? Maybe water spreading off from the ceiling? Doors of the train opened? Did the train stop on a station? If not, relevant where? In a gallery? In the middle of nowhere? Near a police station?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:30 pm

Is the someone he was looking for the ticket inspector? yes Was John aware of almost having broken the law? yes! Had he not get on the train, would he have broken the law? no Did he bring something relevant on the train (e.g. a weapon)? no

Did he break the law somehow? almost --> a minor crime? yesish not paying something? Introducing something on the train? smoking? no to these Could he have been accused of having provoked the fire? no He was sit on the place reserved for handicapped people? no He felt bad because the carriage was crowded? no Identity card relevant? no His nationality? no Did he relevantly interact with someone? no Phone relevant? Internet? Posting pictures? no to these

Did he know for sure that the someone was on the train? yes --> ok, can I assume the following relevant timeline?:
1) train was moving; 2) train on fire; 3) train stopped ? Correct If so, did he know that the someone was already on the train in 1) yes, and to both subsequent stages too ?; in 2)? Only in 3)? Did the someone managed to reach John's carriage? strictly speaking, irrelevant If not, because of the fire? n/a Did John got off the train as well? yes Did the someone know John? Did John know the someone? no to both If not, was him able to easily identify them? yes Because they wore a uniform? And yes Relevant the profession of the someone? yes Did John see them getting on the train before the fire? no Did he see them in the adjoining carriage? Probably, but irrelevant Were they criminal? no Did he know they had bad intentions (e.g. they were waiting to place a bomb in the train which instead went on fire before thus saving people from the explosion that would have happened)? no Did the train started again after the stop due to the fire? Eventually, yes If so, did they get on? no Did John? irrelevant Had he seen the someone in the other carriage would he have been relieved? no Neutral? no Would he have deduced that he/she was on his same carriage? Outside of the train? Somewhere else relevantly? please rephrase

Did he see the someone/something he was looking for when looking at the adjoining carriage? no --> was the someone in his own carriage? no In another one? yes Was he able to see who was in his carriage? yes If not, because it was too crowded? n/a Was the someone outside of the train? no Did the someone has something important? no Something dangerous? no Is it relevant that is carriage was crowded? yes Was it more crowded than before the fire? Not sure what you mean; it got less crowded after the fire because people were escaping Is fire alarm relevant? Yesish! Maybe water spreading off from the ceiling? no Doors of the train opened? no Did the train stop on a station? irrelevant If not, relevant where? In a gallery? In the middle of nowhere? Near a police station? n/a to all
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:58 am

To be sure: can we assume modern times? Normal train? (And not for instance Oriente Express or Hogwarts express) Normal tickets required?

Relevant that ticket officers can act as policemen inside the train? Did he commit the minor crime as soon as he got on the train? Minutes after? For the fact that he got on the train? Stamping the ticket relevant? Reserved places?not paying a meal? Does the minor crime deal with tickets? Bringing prohibited stuffs/animals on the train? Having travelled for a longer distance than he had the right to do? Expired subscription? Electronic ticket? Electronic device of the ticket officer that broke up?
Did the alarm provide him a relevant excuse that he could use to justify his minor crime (e.g. "I lost the ticket in the rush of escaping the fire" or "I heard the alarm, the carriage was crowded, I got a panic attack")? Is law relevant (e.g. in Italy if the train is late for more than 2 hours you have the right to ask for reimboursement; or for instance the fact that as soon as th fire alarm rang, it was considered an emergency situation?)?

Did people in the crowded carriage relevantly react to the fire alarm? If so, did they all try to escape? claustrophobia relevant? Did someone lose his ticket? Did ticket inspectors lose the device to control tickets in the rush? Did the inspector already relevantly begin the ticket inspection on the train? If so, was the man able to mix up with people of another carriage that the insoector already controlled?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:14 pm

To be sure: can we assume modern times? yes Normal train? yes (And not for instance Oriente Express or Hogwarts express) nothing as abnormal as that Normal tickets required? yes

Relevant that ticket officers can act as policemen inside the train? yes Did he commit the minor crime as soon as he got on the train? no Minutes after? yes For the fact that he got on the train? no Stamping the ticket relevant? no Reserved places?not paying a meal? no to both Does the minor crime deal with tickets? Bringing prohibited stuffs/animals on the train? Having travelled for a longer distance than he had the right to do? Expired subscription? Electronic ticket? Electronic device of the ticket officer that broke up? no to all
Did the alarm provide him a relevant excuse that he could use to justify his minor crime yes! (e.g. "I lost the ticket in the rush of escaping the fire" no or "I heard the alarm, the carriage was crowded, I got a panic attack")? no, but ORT Is law relevant (e.g. in Italy if the train is late for more than 2 hours you have the right to ask for reimboursement; no to this or for instance the fact that as soon as th fire alarm rang, it was considered an emergency situation?)? this is relevant

Did people in the crowded carriage relevantly react to the fire alarm? no (NB: The fire alarm is an 'ish') If so, did they all try to escape? people tried to escape when they observed the danger from the fire claustrophobia relevant? no Did someone lose his ticket? no Did ticket inspectors lose the device to control tickets in the rush? no Did the inspector already relevantly begin the ticket inspection on the train? assume that John had already presented a valid ticket If so, was the man able to mix up with people of another carriage that the insoector already controlled? no
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:39 am

Wait....isn't NB an italian acronym for Nota Bene?!

Was the minor crime committed against someone else? Are train locals (e.g. bathroom) relevant? Opening a locked door? Does the train have to move in order to commit the minor crime? Did the train relevantly cross some border (e.g. he forgot the passport/ he was introducing something illegal in the other country?)?

Did the minor crime damage somehow the train? Disturbed passengers? Could potentially activate the fire alarm?
Was the train divided into first class and economy class relevantly? Was he served a meal or something? Did he take something from the train (e.g. he stole a wine bottle/ a meal without paying it)? Did he relevantly have a bag with him? A bycicle? Did he relevantly travel for a long time on the train? Did he want to get off the train soon aftsr having committed the crime? Did he intend to commit the crime when he got on the train? Did he forget something relevant? Writings on the wall relevant? Trash disposal relevant? Is such a minor crime commonly committed on trains? (E.g. taking off shoes/screaming at the cell phone/putting the luggage in the wrong way or in place of something else/looking at the laptop of another passenger when he/she was at the bathroom xD...) was the ticket inspector aware of the minor crime he committed? Was the ticket inspector signaled something strange going on? Was he going to John carriage before the fire? Did John fake an illness? (E.g. to distract the ticket inspector/to have a free ride to the hospital/to cover his minor crime)

The way in which the alarm-ish could justify the minor crime: the unusual situation would have required it? He suspected that someone was a terrorist? Did he take some illegal medicine? did he break a window/glass?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:17 pm

Was John's minor crime that of activating a fire alarm? Doing something that activated an alarm?
WAG: Was he smoking, which is forbidden on the train, and the smoke set off an alarm, and he was relieved that there was an actual fire so that he would not be identified?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:29 pm

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Wait....isn't NB an italian acronym for Nota Bene?! We anglophones use it too - as well as your terms for pasta shapes and how to play orchestral music.

Was the minor crime committed against someone else? yes, FAs lurking Are train locals (e.g. bathroom) relevant? no Opening a locked door? no Does the train have to move in order to commit the minor crime? yes Did the train relevantly cross some border (e.g. he forgot the passport/ he was introducing something illegal in the other country?)? no

Did the minor crime damage somehow the train? no Disturbed passengers? yes Could potentially activate the fire alarm? strong yope
Was the train divided into first class and economy class relevantly? no Was he served a meal or something? not relevantly Did he take something from the train (e.g. he stole a wine bottle/ a meal without paying it)? no Did he relevantly have a bag with him? A bycicle? no to both Did he relevantly travel for a long time on the train? no Did he want to get off the train soon aftsr having committed the crime? yes Did he intend to commit the crime when he got on the train? no Did he forget something relevant? no Writings on the wall relevant? There would probably have been a relevant sign, but this would not have influenced John's actions Trash disposal relevant? no Is such a minor crime commonly committed on trains? (E.g. taking off shoes/screaming at the cell phone/putting the luggage in the wrong way or in place of something else/looking at the laptop of another passenger when he/she was at the bathroom xD...) yes, but less common (and more routinely punished) than any of your examples was the ticket inspector aware of the minor crime he committed? no Was the ticket inspector signaled something strange going on? yes Was he going to John carriage before the fire? yes Did John fake an illness? (E.g. to distract the ticket inspector/to have a free ride to the hospital/to cover his minor crime) no

The way in which the alarm-ish could justify the minor crime: the unusual situation would have required it? yes He suspected that someone was a terrorist? Did he take some illegal medicine? did he break a window/glass? no to these

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Hi, CoffeeBean!

Was John's minor crime that of activating a fire alarmish? yes Doing something that activated an alarm? yes
WAG: Was he smoking, which is forbidden on the train, and the smoke set off an alarm, no, his action was more directly linked and he was relieved that there was an actual fire so that he would not be identified? But this is correct!

So, how did he set off the alarm-ish? Remember, the train was very crowded.
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:26 pm

Did he bump into an alarm switch due to being jostled by the crowd?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:33 pm

Did he bump into an alarm switch due to being jostled by the crowd? no; he might have had a defense there even if there hadn't coincidentally been a fire
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:54 pm

Did he push or bump someone else causing them to hit an alarm trigger?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:05 pm

Did he push or bump someone else causing them to hit an alarm trigger? no
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:20 pm

Did he have a ringtone resembling a fire alarm? Just pushed a button? If so accidentally? Did he hurt someone?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:21 pm

Did he tell someone that a fire had started? Or give some kind of indication of this? With the goal of getting people to move away and create more space?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:25 pm

Did he intend to activate some other function? Such as a door? Brakes? Did he accidentally pull the emergency brake?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby trebor » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:56 pm

Did he light a match/lighter?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:17 am

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Did he have a ringtone resembling a fire alarm? no Just pushed a button? no but very ORT If so accidentally? yes Did he hurt someone? no

CoffeeBean

Did he tell someone that a fire had started? no Or give some kind of indication of this? no With the goal of getting people to move away and create more space? no

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Did he intend to activate some other function? no Such as a door? Brakes? n/a to both Did he accidentally pull the emergency brake? yes! (this is the fire alarm-ish)

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Did he light a match/lighter? no
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:36 am

Did he lean on it? Did he pull it because he thought it was meant for something else? Did he pull it back in the same way in which he pulled it the first time? I mean did he set off the alarm by pulling the emergency brake in the same position as it was before he pulled it the first time?

Did he need to reach something (the emergency brake?) in order to set the alarm off? Did he find himself near the something when the alarmish start to rang? Did he need to make space (e.g. he faked to have a disease so that people kept distance)? Did he open a door? Break a glass? Exploit the crowd somehow? (E.g. by screaming and provoking panic?)
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:51 pm

Did he lean on it? no Did he pull it yes because he thought it was meant for something else? no Did he pull it back in the same way in which he pulled it the first time? I mean did he set off the alarm by pulling the emergency brake in the same position as it was before he pulled it the first time? There's a FA at play - he only pulled the lever once

Did he need to reach something (the emergency brake?) in order to set the alarm off? The brake is the alarm-ish - there was no alarm, but triggering the emergency brake and a fire alarm would have similar consequences, all other things being equal Did he find himself near the something when the alarmish start to rang? not relevantly Did he need to make space (e.g. he faked to have a disease so that people kept distance)? no Did he open a door? Break a glass? Exploit the crowd somehow? (E.g. by screaming and provoking panic?) no to these

So, he pulled the emergency brake due to the train's crowdedness. How did one lead to the other?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:17 am

He did it accidentally right? Was him next to the lever? Did he ask someone else to pull it? Did he pull it with his hands? Dis he want to pull it? I mean "accidentally" means that he did not want to pull the lever but he did due to crowd or that he thought something was going on due to crowd and pulled the lever; or again he thought that the lever was something else/meant to do something else? Did he relevantly feel narrowed between people? Was him in the middle of the carriage? Relevant? On a side? Did he want to reach a specific part of the carriage? The window? Did someone see him pulling the lever? Did he want to pull down the window? (At least in italy train windows are often opened by pulling down the glass) Relevant where the lever was located? Next to a window? Next to someone? Was him free to move? Relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby trebor » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:47 pm

Was the train one that would stop at every stop? Or do you have to pull a cord to signal that you want it to stop? If so, was that what he was trying to do?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:58 am

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He did it accidentally right? yes Was him next to the lever? yes Did he ask someone else to pull it? no Did he pull it with his hands? yes Dis he want to pull it? yope I mean "accidentally" means that he did not want to pull the lever but he did due to crowd or that he thought something was going on due to crowd and pulled the lever no; or again he thought that the lever was something else/meant to do something else? yesish! Did he relevantly feel narrowed between people? yes Was him in the middle of the carriage? he wasn't standing in the aisle Relevant? yes On a side? yes Did he want to reach a specific part of the carriage? yes The window? no Did someone see him pulling the lever? yes Did he want to pull down the window? no (At least in italy train windows are often opened by pulling down the glass) We used to be able to do that, but our new trains have windows that don't open Relevant where the lever was located? yes Next to a window? no Next to someone? Next to him Was him free to move? not very Relevant? yes

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Was the train one that would stop at every stop? irrel Or do you have to pull a cord to signal that you want it to stop? no If so, was that what he was trying to do? no
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:54 am

Did he think that pulling the lever he would have felt less "narrowed" by crowd? That he would have had more space? That someone would have been called? That a relevant noise/sound would have been made? That it would have opened something? That it would have caused something to happen? Or maybe that nothing would have happened? That it was meant to lean something?

Did he want to pull it more times? One time? Did he imagine that the lever was indeed a lever? That it needed to be pulled down?

Was he standing? Sitting? Did he want to stand up? Change position? Charge the phone? Show something to someone? Call someone? Get off?

Was something written on the lever? Relevant? Did he see the lever? What was written on it (e.g. something was written like "pull it in case of emergency")? Relevant? Was someone in front of him? In front of the lever? Was him able to clearly see the lever? To reach it witout problems?
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son...

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:56 pm

Did he think that pulling the lever he would have felt less "narrowed" by crowd? no That he would have had more space? yes That someone would have been called? no That a relevant noise/sound would have been made? no That it would have opened something? no That it would have caused something to happen? not to anyone or anything else Or maybe that nothing would have happened? to anyone or anything else, yes That it was meant to lean something? please rephrase

Did he want to pull it more times? no One time? yes Did he imagine that the lever was indeed a lever? no That it needed to be pulled down? no

Was he standing? no Sitting? yes Did he want to stand up? yes! Change position? yes (to a standing one) Charge the phone? Show something to someone? Call someone? Get off? no to all

Was something written on the lever? not that he saw Relevant? yes Did he see the lever? yes What was written on it no, he did not see this! (e.g. something was written like "pull it in case of emergency")? Relevant? the specific wording is irrelevant Was someone in front of him? no In front of the lever? no Was him able to clearly see the lever? no! To reach it witout problems? but yes

I believe you have all the material facts

***** SPOILER *****

This is a true story from India. He was sitting on an overcrowded train, and needed to stand up. This was difficult due to how many people were packed in the train. He reached up and grabbed a bar near the ceiling to manoeuvre himself upwards, but it turned out to be the emergency stop lever for the train!

The penalty for abusing the stop lever in India is a very hefty fine, and he was about to be slapped with it. To his relief and amazement, a fire had (coincidentally) broken out in the neighbouring carriage, and so he had a perfectly valid pretext for stopping the train! He no longer had to fear the conductor finding him.


Congratulations, Earnest, on the solution. I've noticed I'm setting a lot of puzzles on crowded trains lately. Art imitating life and all that.
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Re: [WiZ] Ah, son... [ALIGHTED - SO TO SPEAK]

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:56 am

Cool one!!!
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