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[JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:44 pm

A man's car is in the shop. Once the work is finished, he asks for directions, fills out some paperwork, and drives away. He is later found dead. Explain.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:43 pm

Hi, Jen!

Does he die in an accident? Is he murdered? Is he a criminal? Does this sequence of events form part of a criminal act or scheme?

Is he in the car when he dies? Is he the legal owner of the car? Has some act of sabotage been carried out?

Is his destination relevant? Is the person whom he asked for directions relevant? Does this person (or some third party) act on the knowledge that he is headed to a particular destination?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:28 am

Hey Wiz, glad to be back if for a while.

Does he die in an accident? His death could be called accidental. Is he murdered? No. Is he a criminal? No. Does this sequence of events form part of a criminal act or scheme? No.

Is he in the car when he dies? Irr, assume yes. Is he the legal owner of the car? No. Has some act of sabotage been carried out? No.

Is his destination relevant? Only in general terms. Is the person whom he asked for directions relevant? No. Does this person (or some third party) act on the knowledge that he is headed to a particular destination? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:41 pm

Did he die in a crash? Traffic accident? Relevant that the car was in the shop before? Relevant what was done to it? Relevant who owned it? Was he driving the car to its owner?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:23 pm

Did he die in a crash? No. Traffic accident? No. Relevant that the car was in the shop before? No. Relevant what was done to it? No. Relevant who owned it? Mildly.. Was he driving the car to its owner? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:25 pm

Is the car a private automobile as we would normally conceive of one? Is the nature of his death relevant?

Are the events leading to his death set in motion once the repairs are done? Once he acts on the directions he is given? When he stops and asks for directions?

Is there a relevant third party other than the mechanics and the person(s) he asked for directions?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:39 am

Is the car a private automobile as we would normally conceive of one? Yope. Is the nature of his death relevant? Yes.

Are the events leading to his death set in motion once the repairs are done? Once he acts on the directions he is given? When he stops and asks for directions? None of these.

Is there a relevant third party other than the mechanics and the person(s) he asked for directions? Yes.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:28 pm

Did he die of asphyxiation? Poison?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 am

Did he die of asphyxiation? Poison? Neither.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby trebor » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:30 pm

When you say his car was in the shop, do you mean it was in an automotive repair centre? Directions: to a place? On how to do something? A sequence of tasks to be performed?

Does he get the directions he asks for? Is it relevant how far he drives after getting the directions, or for how long? Does he relevantly have a passenger with him?

Is his profession relevant? Is the car related to it? Addressing the "yope" here about the normal passenger car thing ... Is it a normal car in terms of make and model? Does it have a decal on the side that denotes it as being a company car or providing a certain service (taxi, food delivery, uber, etc.)? Have any modifications been made to the car?

Are there any people involved in this puzzle that we haven't discovered yet? Is the man's family relevant?

Is the paperwork he fills out related to the car? To the reason he's in the shop? Relevant whether it's hard copy or digital? Is it relevant whether he uses a pen or pencil?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:04 am

When you say his car was in the shop, do you mean it was in an automotive repair centre? This. Directions: to a place? This. On how to do something? A sequence of tasks to be performed?

Does he get the directions he asks for? Yope. Is it relevant how far he drives after getting the directions, or for how long? Assume several hours. Does he relevantly have a passenger with him? No.

Is his profession relevant? Mildly. Is the car related to it? Yes. Addressing the "yope" here about the normal passenger car thing ... Is it a normal car in terms of make and model? Yes. Does it have a decal on the side that denotes it as being a company car or providing a certain service (taxi, food delivery, uber, etc.)? Yes. Have any modifications been made to the car? Irr.

Are there any people involved in this puzzle that we haven't discovered yet? Yes. Is the man's family relevant? No.

Is the paperwork he fills out related to the car? Yes. To the reason he's in the shop? Yes. Relevant whether it's hard copy or digital? Yes, actually. It's hard-copy. Is it relevant whether he uses a pen or pencil? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:55 pm

Does he ever intend to die? Does someone else intend for him to die? Did he die from strangulation? Impact? Fall? Cold? Heat? Fire? Exposure? Freezing? Oxygen deprivation? Blood loss? Crushing? Disease? Venom? Explosion? A weapon? Projectile? Electrocution? Drowning? Organ failure? Brain injury? Other injury? Did he die in the car? In traffic? Was he found seconds after death? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Was he found by passersby? Law enforcement? Someone searching for him? For something or someone else? By the car owner? Was he driving the car to the owner? Relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:22 am

Does he ever intend to die? No. Does someone else intend for him to die? No. Did he die from strangulation? Impact? Fall? Cold? Heat? Possibly this. Fire? Exposure? Possibly this. Freezing? Oxygen deprivation? Blood loss? Crushing? Disease? Venom? Explosion? A weapon? Projectile? Electrocution? Drowning? Organ failure? Brain injury? Other injury? No. Did he die in the car? Possibly. In traffic? No. Was he found seconds after death? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Irr. Assume days or weeks. Was he found by passersby? Most likely. Law enforcement? Someone searching for him? Possibly, but unlikely. For something or someone else? By the car owner? Irr. Was he driving the car to the owner? No. Relevant? No.

No to the rest.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:30 pm

Did the car get stuck? Malfunction? Run out of fuel? Did he get lost? Was he doing something illegal? Did he die in a desert? Was he heading for a specific place? Trying to get away from something? Trying to hide?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:19 pm

Did the car get stuck? Possibly. Malfunction? No. Run out of fuel? Possibly. Did he get lost? Yes. Was he doing something illegal? No. Did he die in a desert? Yes. Was he heading for a specific place? Generally speaking, yes. Trying to get away from something? Trying to hide? No to both.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:03 am

Did he get good directions? Did he follow the directions he got? Was he mislead? If so, by a person? Map? Navigation device? Did he try to take a shortcut?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby trebor » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:25 pm

Were the directions written down on the paperwork he filled out? If so, by him? By the shop worker? By someone else? Were the directions from the shop worker at all? Did the man misread the directions? Misunderstand them? Were they verbal?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:13 am

Did he get good directions? Yes. Did he follow the directions he got? No. Was he mislead? Yes. If so, by a person? In a sense. Map? No. Navigation device? In a sense. Did he try to take a shortcut? No.

Were the directions written down on the paperwork he filled out? No. If so, by him? By the shop worker? By someone else? Were the directions from the shop worker at all? Yes. Did the man misread the directions? No. Misunderstand them? No, but... Were they verbal? Yes.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby trebor » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:50 am

Did he mis-hear them? Misinterpret what he heard? Are dialects/colloquialisms/slang terms relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby GalFisk » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:00 am

Had some feature relevantly changed, leading him to misinterpret the directions? Such as a sign being changed? A road? A business? A building? Weather relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:50 pm

Did he mis-hear them? Misinterpret what he heard? Are dialects/colloquialisms/slang terms relevant? No to all.

Had some feature relevantly changed, leading him to misinterpret the directions? Yes. Such as a sign being changed? A road? A business? A building? Weather relevant? No to all. The weather might have had a hand in his death, but not his disorientation.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby GalFisk » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:35 pm

Was the change intentional? Caused by humans? Did the directions mention a number? Such as "third street o the right"? A landmark? Such as "take left at the big tree"? Was something added? Removed? Moved? Changed? Hidden? Was the car relevant? Such as tinted windows making something blue appear black? Was the man relevantly colorblind? Did the person giving directions not know about the change? Had the change happened in the last: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Maps relevant? Map software?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:29 pm

Was the change intentional? Yope. Caused by humans? Yes. Did the directions mention a number? Yes. Such as "third street o the right"? No. A landmark? For SSV of "landmark." Such as "take left at the big tree"? Yes. Was something added? Removed? Moved? This. Changed? Hidden? None of the others. Was the car relevant? No. Such as tinted windows making something blue appear black? No. Was the man relevantly colorblind? No. Did the person giving directions not know about the change? Can't answer as stated, rephrase. Had the change happened in the last: seconds? Minutes? This; explore. Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Maps relevant? No. Map software? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby GalFisk » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:54 pm

Was the direction-giver involved in the change? Did the direction-giver misjudge the timing or magnitude of the change? The thing moved: a sign? Building? Tree? Vehicle? Roadworks area? Were the direction-giver trying to be helpful? For instance, by providing directions to get around a congested or constricted area?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:29 am

Was the direction-giver involved in the change? No. Did the direction-giver misjudge the timing or magnitude of the change? I don't know that "misjudge" is the right word. "Timing" is, however. The thing moved: a sign? Building? Tree? Vehicle? This. Roadworks area? Were the direction-giver trying to be helpful? Yes. For instance, by providing directions to get around a congested or constricted area? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby trebor » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:52 pm

Was the vehicle involved in the directions the man’s own? (Or the delivery car he was the operator of?) Someone else’s? Was the direction something like, “Turn left where that car is?” “Follow that vehicle”?

Is it relevant that it’s hard-copy paperwork just because the man didn’t have his phone on him, and if he’d had that he could’ve used GPS? Because paperwork takes longer to fill out? Did the second vehicle move while the man filled out the paperwork?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Dead Reckoning

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:13 pm

Was the vehicle involved in the directions the man’s own? (Or the delivery car he was the operator of?) Someone else’s? This. Was the direction something like, “Turn left where that car is?” “Follow that vehicle”? Yes.

Is it relevant that it’s hard-copy paperwork just because the man didn’t have his phone on him, and if he’d had that he could’ve used GPS? No, but OTRT. Because paperwork takes longer to fill out? No. Did the second vehicle move while the man filled out the paperwork? YES.



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This is an apocryphal story from the African desert during WWII. The driver asked for directions through the trackless waste to his unit, and was told, "Drive six miles in the direction the vehicle outside is pointing." While he filled out his paperwork, someone moved the other vehicle, which caused him to drive in the wrong direction, become lost, and die of thirst or exposure before he could be found.
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