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[Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:56 pm
by hominid
A man buys something online. This makes one group of people angry, and another group of people worried. Later, the man himself becomes worried, and also sad. What happened?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 4:09 pm
by Balin
Did the purchase cost less than 10 dollars? Less than 100? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1 million?
Does the man know the angry group? Vice versa?
Does the man know the worried group? Vice versa?
Does the worried group know the angry group? Vice versa?
Does the man make the purchase publicly?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 4:28 pm
by hominid
Did the purchase cost less than 10 dollars? Less than 100? likely this; price irrelevant. 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1 million?
Does the man know the angry group? Vice versa? yes, but not very well.
Does the man know the worried group? Vice versa? yes.
Does the worried group know the angry group? Vice versa? yes, but not very well.
Does the man make the purchase publicly? DOYD of "publicly." He didn't advertise the fact that he made the purchase, but he didn't try to hide it either.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 8:24 pm
by Balin
Relevant what site he made the purchase from? eBay? Amazon
Was the purchase a tangible object? A piece of media?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:10 pm
by hominid
Relevant what site he made the purchase from? the specific site isn't relevant, but some facts about the site are. eBay? Amazon neither of these.
Was the purchase a tangible object? A piece of media? no to both.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:14 pm
by GalFisk
Is the group angry at the man? The seller? The product? The sale? Did anyone else but this thing? If do, online? Was the group angry at anyone else? Is the worried group worried that the angry group might do something? That others might purchase this thing? Is the man worried for the same reason as the group? Is ha sad that he caused anger? Caused worry? That he bought the thing? Did he buy an object? Substance? Service? Multiple objects?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 10:25 pm
by hominid
Is the group angry at the man? yes. The seller? no. The product? no. The sale? only the man's involvement in it. Did anyone else but this thing? yes, but not relevantly. If do, online? yes, but not relevantly. Was the group angry at anyone else? no. Is the worried group worried that the angry group might do something? no. That others might purchase this thing? no. Is the man worried for the same reason as the group? no. Is ha sad that he caused anger? Caused worry? neither of these are why the puzzle statement says he's sad, but these might have made him slightly sad. That he bought the thing? no. Did he buy an object? yope. I said earlier that it wasn't a "tangible object" but it could have been, and it was a sort of object either way. Substance? no. Service? noish. Multiple objects? I guess you could say he bought two objects.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 2:06 am
by Balin
Did he buy something living?
Black market/dark web relevant?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:08 pm
by hominid
Did he buy something living? no.
Black market/dark web relevant? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 7:36 pm
by GalFisk
Relevant how the product was delivered to him? How the angry group knew about the purchase? How the worried group knew? Did the angries disapprove of the purchase? Of the product? Did the worried group worry about the man? The purchase? The product? It the man an adult? A parent? Married? Relevant?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 7:53 pm
by hominid
Relevant how the product was delivered to him? slight FA. How the angry group knew about the purchase? yes. How the worried group knew? yes. Did the angries disapprove of the purchase? yes, with a slight ish. Of the product? no, only the fact that the man bought it. Did the worried group worry about the man? yes. The purchase? noish. The product? no. It the man an adult? yes. A parent? no. Married? no. Relevant? I think he has to be an adult. His marital/parental status is irrelevant, but it probably makes more sense if he's single and childless.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 8:33 pm
by GalFisk
Did he retrieve the product? Go to a place where it was delivered? Was it something that could be delivered? Something that was applied to him? Such as a facemask? Tattoo? Is the pandemic relevant? Did he tell the angries? The worriers? Did they get to know from social media? Was the product inappropriate for him in any way? Is the man's sadness caused by regret? Is it possible to return the product? Is the man's profession relevant? Are the angries strangers to him? Friends? Relatives? Coworkers? Same questions for the worriers, please?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 8:58 pm
by hominid
Did he retrieve the product? in a sense. The way he got it is not especially relevant. Go to a place where it was delivered? Was it something that could be delivered? it's not something that would normally be delivered. Something that was applied to him? no. Such as a facemask? no. Tattoo? Is the pandemic relevant? no. Did he tell the angries? no. The worriers? no. Did they get to know from social media? no. Was the product inappropriate for him in any way? no. Is the man's sadness caused by regret? no. Is it possible to return the product? no. Is the man's profession relevant? no. Are the angries strangers to him? Friends? Relatives? Coworkers? no to all. Same questions for the worriers, please? relatives, yes.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 9:46 pm
by hominid
I missed the tattoo question; sorry. No, there are no relevant tattoos.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 10:44 am
by GalFisk
Is the product electronic in nature? Can anyone buy it? If there were no angry people, would the worriers still worry? Would the man still worry? Would the man still be sad? If there were no worried people, would the angry people still be angry? Would the man still worry? Would the man still be sad? Is anything illegal relevant? Immoral? Religion relevant? Politics? Other strong beliefs? Is the man worried for his safety? Life? Someone else's safety? Life? Are the worriers close relatives? Distant? Both?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:25 am
by hominid
Is the product electronic in nature? yes, maybe not the way you're thinking. Can anyone buy it? yes. If there were no angry people, would the worriers still worry? no. Would the man still worry? no. Would the man still be sad? yes. If there were no worried people, would the angry people still be angry? yes. Would the man still worry? no. Would the man still be sad? yes. Is anything illegal relevant? yes. Immoral? yes. Religion relevant? yes, although the specifics are not that relevant. Politics? yes, although the specifics are not that relevant. Other strong beliefs? no. Is the man worried for his safety? no. Life? no. Someone else's safety? yes, vaguely. Life? yes, vaguely. Are the worriers close relatives? this. Assume parents/immediate family. Distant? Both?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 12:45 pm
by GalFisk
Has he been tricked? Scammed? Has he scammed someone? Is the product software? Computer file(s)? Has something been stolen? Data breaches relevant? Did the product cost more than a breadbox? Digital currencies relevant?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 1:37 pm
by hominid
Has he been tricked? Scammed? Has he scammed someone? Is the product software? no to all. Computer file(s)? it might technically be considered this, but that's not usually how it's thought of. Has something been stolen? no. Data breaches relevant? no. Did the product cost more than a breadbox? depends on the breadbox I guess. Likely no, but the price is not relevant. Digital currencies relevant? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:35 pm
by emeraldink
Did he secure rights to an intangible "object"? Is something now "assigned" to him?
Did he purchase a recording of his name on some virtual list? Bought "a place in history"?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:41 pm
by hominid
Did he secure rights to an intangible "object"? yes. Is something now "assigned" to him? yes.
Did he purchase a recording of his name on some virtual list? his name would have ended up on a virtual list, but that wasn't the primary goal of his purchase. Bought "a place in history"? no, but good guess.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:31 am
by emeraldink
Did he secure rights to:
insurance policy? legacy? someone else's name? bank account?

copyright? ( registered ) trade mark? logo?
audio artifact ( a tune or jingle, for example )? words ( aphorism, limerick, slogan )?

software? domain name? e-mail address?
algorithm? formula ( this is generally not allowed, but who knows )?
invention? process? method?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 1:01 am
by hominid
Did he secure rights to:
insurance policy? legacy? someone else's name? bank account?

copyright? ( registered ) trade mark? logo?
audio artifact ( a tune or jingle, for example )? words ( aphorism, limerick, slogan )?

software? domain name? e-mail address?
algorithm? formula ( this is generally not allowed, but who knows )?
invention? process? method?

No to all, I'm afraid. It's something far more mundane than this.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 2:54 am
by emeraldink
Are tickets, travel, property renting, or time-sharing relevant? Icebergs, disappearing islands, rain forest?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:31 pm
by hominid
Are tickets yes!, travel and yes!, property renting, or time-sharing relevant? Icebergs, disappearing islands, rain forest? no to rest. Good work.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:02 pm
by Balin
Travel: by air? Sea? Land?
International travel?
Length of travel relevant?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:07 pm
by hominid
Travel: by air? Sea? Land? this.
International travel? no.
Length of travel relevant? assume it was a day trip.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:10 pm
by hominid
Come to think of it, a better answer for "International travel?" would be yope. Explore.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:15 pm
by Balin
Did the man actually take the travel? Did anyone?
Does the travel (whether taken or not) take place on Earth?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:17 pm
by hominid
Did the man actually take the travel? yes. Did anyone? the man did, no one else relevantly did.
Does the travel (whether taken or not) take place on Earth? yes.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:28 pm
by Balin
Did he travel within a country? From a country to one of its territories (or vice versa)?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:36 pm
by hominid
Did he travel within a country? yes. From a country to one of its territories (or vice versa)? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:40 pm
by Doriana
Does he buy bus tickets? train tickets?

Does he go by car? train? bus? bike? motorcycle?

Relevant where he is travelling from? Where he is travelling to? Why he is travelling?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:50 pm
by hominid
Does he buy bus tickets? train tickets? this, but either of these would work.

Does he go by car? train? so this. bus? bike? motorcycle?

Relevant where he is travelling from? Where he is travelling to? some facts about the places are relevant, but not specifically where they are. Why he is travelling? yesish.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:07 pm
by Doriana
Does the angry group get angry as soon as the man buys the tickets? When he takes the trip? After he has taken the trip?
Same question for the worried group.

Relevant how much time passes between the man buying the tickets and taking the trip?

Does the man take a one-way trip? Round trip?

Is his reason for travel related to leisure? family? business? education?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:22 pm
by hominid
Does the angry group get angry as soon as the man buys the tickets? When he takes the trip? most likely this, but beware FA. After he has taken the trip?
Same question for the worried group. same as above, but beware FA.

Relevant how much time passes between the man buying the tickets and taking the trip? only that it's a very short amount of time. Assume he bought the tickets the night before the trip.

Does the man take a one-way trip? Round trip? this.

Is his reason for travel related to leisure? this. family? business? education?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:26 pm
by Balin
Is the anger regarding a certain part of land being considered within a nation, but others argue it should be separate? Vice versa?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:32 pm
by hominid
Is the anger regarding a certain part of land being considered within a nation, but others argue it should be separate? Vice versa? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:32 pm
by Doriana
Does the angry group see the man's tickets? See the man travel?
Same for the worried group

Leisure = sports? music? literature? culture? art? outdoor activities? games? hunting? gambling? food? drink?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 5:47 pm
by hominid
Does the angry group see the man's tickets? yope. See the man travel? no.
Same for the worried group no to both.

Leisure = sports? music? literature? culture? art? outdoor activities? games? hunting? gambling? food? drink? no/irrelevant to all. It's more "leisure" in a general sense.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 6:50 pm
by Doriana
Does the angry group know that the man has purchased the tickets? If so, did he tell them? Did they see something related to the tickets, such as a booking confirmation? a credit card statement?

Is the angry group composed of people he works with? Are they angry because he's travelling instead of working?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 6:55 pm
by hominid
Does the angry group know that the man has purchased the tickets? yes. If so, did he tell them? no. Did they see something related to the tickets, such as a booking confirmation? a credit card statement? this.

Is the angry group composed of people he works with? no. Are they angry because he's travelling yope. instead of working? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:00 pm
by Doriana
Does he purchase the tickets with his own credit card? someone else's? If the latter, accidentally? on purpose? with the credit card of someone who is part of the angry group?

Credit card fraud relevant?

Does the angry group work at the bank that issued the credit card?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:10 pm
by hominid
Does he purchase the tickets with his own credit card? this. someone else's? If the latter, accidentally? on purpose? with the credit card of someone who is part of the angry group? so no to rest.

Credit card fraud relevant? tangentially, yes.

Does the angry group work at the bank that issued the credit card? YES. Also I should clarify that it's a debit card, not a credit card, although this isn't really relevant.

Great questions.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:26 pm
by Doriana
Does the bank think there's fraudulent activity going on?

Is the purchase made in a country other than the one the man is usually in? And the bank finds this suspicious? But the man is in fact in the country where the purchase is made (because he has travelled there before, unbeknownst to his bank) and is now travelling within that country?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:29 pm
by hominid
Does the bank think there's fraudulent activity going on? no, or at least they don't find that likely.

Is the purchase made in a country other than the one the man is usually in? yes. And the bank finds this suspicious? no, but OTRT. But the man is in fact in the country where the purchase is made yes. (because he has travelled there before yes., unbeknownst to his bank no.) and is now travelling within that country? yes.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:38 pm
by Doriana
So, the man and the bank are usually located in country A, but the man is in country B at the time of the purchase. His bank knows that he is in B. He buys tickets for a train trip in B. Correct so far?
Relevant how long the man is staying in B for? Relevant how far A and B are from each other? Relevant why the man is in B in the first place? How he got there?

Is there anything that the bank finds suspicious about the purchase at all? If so, where it was made? When it was made? Relevant how much the bank knows about the purchase? Do they know that the purchase is train tickets? Do they know what date the tickets are for? what itinerary?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:44 pm
by hominid
So, the man and the bank are usually located in country A, but the man is in country B at the time of the purchase. His bank knows that he is in B. He buys tickets for a train trip in B. Correct so far? yep, all correct.
Relevant how long the man is staying in B for? no. Relevant how far A and B are from each other? no. Relevant why the man is in B in the first place? no. How he got there? no.

Is there anything that the bank finds suspicious about the purchase at all? noish--DOYD of "suspicious". If so, where it was made? yope. When it was made? no. Relevant how much the bank knows about the purchase? yes. Do they know that the purchase is train tickets? yes. Do they know what date the tickets are for? irrelevant. what itinerary? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:47 pm
by Doriana
Does the bank think that the purchase was made in A? that the train trip takes place in A?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:51 pm
by hominid
Does the bank think that the purchase was made in A? no. that the train trip takes place in A? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:13 pm
by Doriana
Relevant how much money the man had in his account? Was his account overdrawn? If so, before the purchase? After the purchase?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:16 pm
by hominid
Relevant how much money the man had in his account? Was his account overdrawn? If so, before the purchase? After the purchase? no/irrelevant to all. Your previous post was more OTRT.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:22 pm
by Doriana
Hmm. So, the bank knows that the train trip takes place in B, correct?

Relevant how exactly the purchase showed up on the man's bank statement? Relevant that the bank didn't know the itinerary?

Would the bank be equally angry if the man had purchased plane tickets for a domestic flight within B?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:41 pm
by hominid
Hmm. So, the bank knows that the train trip takes place in B, correct? incorrect!

Relevant how exactly the purchase showed up on the man's bank statement? yes. Relevant that the bank didn't know the itinerary? yes, insofar as they didn't know that it was in country B.

Would the bank be equally angry if the man had purchased plane tickets for a domestic flight within B? If a certain detail remains the same, yes.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:48 pm
by Doriana
Does the bank think the train trip takes place in yet another country? And are they angry that the man has not informed them that he will also be travelling to country C?

Does the name of country B show on the bank statement? Of country C? Is country B abbreviated in way that's easily mistaken for country C? Does the country name show up in the local language?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:03 pm
by hominid
Does the bank think the train trip takes place in yet another country? And are they angry that the man has not informed them that he will also be travelling to country C? yes and yes!

Does the name of country B show on the bank statement? no. Of country C? yes. Is country B abbreviated in way that's easily mistaken for country C? no. Does the country name show up in the local language? irrelevant.

RECAP

A man from Country A travelled to Country B and told his bank that he was doing so. They were fine with this, as long as he didn't go into any other countries without telling them. He followed this advice, but purchased a train ticket for a round trip to and from a location within Country B. This made the bank angry because they thought he was travelling within Country C without telling them. This was due to Country C being listed on the bank statement. It also made his immediate family worried, and later, the man himself became worried and sad.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:13 pm
by Doriana
Relevant why country C was listed on the bank statement? Was the railway company from/based in country C? (You can e.g. take a train from Arnhem to Amsterdam, both located in the Netherlands, that is operated by the German rail company Deutsche Bahn)

Did the bank contact the man because of the purchase? contact the man's family? Did the man contact his family? Were they worried because they thought the man had got lost? because they though something bad would happen to him if he went to country C?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:16 pm
by hominid
Relevant why country C was listed on the bank statement? not really. Was the railway company from/based in country C? (You can e.g. take a train from Arnhem to Amsterdam, both located in the Netherlands, that is operated by the German rail company Deutsche Bahn) this is roughly what I had in mind, though.

Did the bank contact the man because of the purchase? yope. contact the man's family? yes. Did the man contact his family? yes, but beware FA. Were they worried because they thought the man had got lost? no. because they though something bad would happen to him if he went to country C? yesish.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:25 pm
by Doriana
Did the bank call the man (on his landline?) but a family member picked up?

Did the man's family know that he was in B? that he was taking a trip within B?

Is C generally considered a more dangerous country than B? Did his family think the man would become the victim of a crime in C? die in C? get sick in C?

Random thought, but is assisted suicide relevant? Did the family think he was travelling to C to end his life?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:32 pm
by hominid
Did the bank call the man (on his landline?) but a family member picked up? not exactly.

Did the man's family know that he was in B? yes that he was taking a trip within B? no. Good questions.

Is C generally considered a more dangerous country than B? not generally, no. Did his family think the man would become the victim of a crime in C? possibly, yes. die in C? possibly, yes. get sick in C? no.

Random thought, but is assisted suicide relevant? no. Did the family think he was travelling to C to end his life? no. Good guesses though.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:36 pm
by Doriana
Does the man have a certain characteristic that would make C a dangerous place for him? If so, his skin color? sexual orientation? religion? language?

Did the bank try to contact the man first? contact his family first?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:38 pm
by hominid
Does the man have a certain characteristic that would make C a dangerous place for him? If so, his skin color? sexual orientation? religion? language? no to all.

Did the bank try to contact the man first? this. contact his family first?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:44 pm
by Doriana
Was something dangerous going on in C at the time of the man's purchase? If so, a war? a revolution? riots? a natural disaster?

Did the bank succeed at contacting the man? When the bank contacted his family, had they already spoken to the man? Relevant how they contacted him? If so, phone call? text? e-mail? notification through an app?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:49 pm
by hominid
Was something dangerous going on in C at the time of the man's purchase? no, but... If so, a war? a revolution? riots? a natural disaster? so no to all, but...

Did the bank succeed at contacting the man? no! When the bank contacted his family, had they already spoken to the man? no. Relevant how they contacted him? not particularly. If so, phone call? text? e-mail? assume this. notification through an app?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:54 pm
by Doriana
Did the family think something dangerous was going on? Had something dangerous happened in C in the past and the family thought that was still the status quo?

Did the bank contact the family because they couldn't get a hold of the man?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:57 pm
by hominid
Did the family think something dangerous was going on? yes. Had something dangerous happened in C in the past and the family thought that was still the status quo? no.

Did the bank contact the family because they couldn't get a hold of the man? yes, but not too relevant.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:02 pm
by Doriana
Relevant why the family thought so? Did they get country C mixed up with yet another country D where something dangerous was actually going on? Fake news relevant?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:06 pm
by hominid
Relevant why the family thought so? yes. Did they get country C mixed up with yet another country D where something dangerous was actually going on? Fake news relevant? no to all. There's an FA lurking.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:09 pm
by Doriana
Was something dangerous going to happen in C in the (near) future? On the day of the man's trip?

Does the man's family live in A? B? C? Relevant?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:11 pm
by hominid
Was something dangerous going to happen in C in the (near) future? On the day of the man's trip? this.

Does the man's family live in A? this. B? C? Relevant? not really.

I think you basically have all the pieces now.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:25 pm
by Doriana
Adding to your recap, new information in italics:

A man from Country A travelled to Country B and told his bank that he was doing so. They were fine with this, as long as he didn't go into any other countries without telling them. He followed this advice, but purchased a train ticket for a round trip to and from a location within Country B. This made the bank angry because they thought he was travelling within Country C without telling them. This was due to Country C being listed on the bank statement. It also made his immediate family worried, and later, the man himself became worried and sad. The bank contacted the man's family. His family was worried because something dangerous was going to happen in Country C and they thought the man would be at risk if he travelled there.

Was the man worried and sad because of the dangerous thing happening in Country C? Because of the lives lost due to the dangerous thing?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:36 pm
by hominid
A man from Country A travelled to Country B and told his bank that he was doing so. They were fine with this, as long as he didn't go into any other countries without telling them. He followed this advice, but purchased a train ticket for a round trip to and from a location within Country B. This made the bank angry because they thought he was travelling within Country C without telling them. This was due to Country C being listed on the bank statement. It also made his immediate family worried, and later, the man himself became worried and sad. The bank contacted the man's family. His family was worried because something dangerous was going to happen in Country C and they thought the man would be at risk if he travelled there. This is all correct, except "was going to happen".

Was the man worried and sad because of the dangerous thing happening in Country C? worried no, sad yes. Because of the lives lost due to the dangerous thing? yes.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:40 pm
by Doriana
Was the dangerous thing already happening on the day the man made his purchase? Did it start on the day of the trip?

Did the family contact the man after talking to the bank and say that they're worried? Because something dangerous was going on? But there was a misunderstanding because the family was referring to the situation in country C, while the man was in B? But the man thought his family was talking about country B? And that's why he was worried?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:54 pm
by hominid
Was the dangerous thing already happening on the day the man made his purchase? no. Did it start on the day of the trip? yes.

Did the family contact the man after talking to the bank and say that they're worried? yes. Because something dangerous was going on? yope. But there was a misunderstanding because the family was referring to the situation in country C, while the man was in B? yope. But the man thought his family was talking about country B? no. And that's why he was worried? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:58 pm
by Doriana
Was there a misunderstanding between the man and his family at all? Did the family contact him on the day of the purchase? on the day of the trip? Had the dangerous thing already started when they contacted him? When they contacted him, did they assume he was still in B? already in C? Did they urge him not to go to C? to return to C?

Relevant what exactly the dangerous thing is?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:02 pm
by hominid
Was there a misunderstanding between the man and his family at all? yes. Did the family contact him on the day of the purchase? no. on the day of the trip? yes. Had the dangerous thing already started when they contacted him? yes. When they contacted him, did they assume he was still in B? no. already in C? yes. Did they urge him not to go to C? no. to return to C? no.

Relevant what exactly the dangerous thing is? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:06 pm
by Doriana
That should have read "to return to B?", not "to return to C?"

Did the man misunderstand something? Did the family? Did the family say anything about the situation in C? If so, did they make it clear that they were talking about C? Did the man make it clear that he was in B? that he had no intention of travelling to C?

Is the man worried about his own safety? about his family? Did the man know about the situation in C?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:12 pm
by hominid
That should have read "to return to B?", not "to return to C?" still no.

Did the man misunderstand something? yes. Did the family? yes, as we've already established. Did the family say anything about the situation in C? no. If so, did they make it clear that they were talking about C? so no. Did the man make it clear that he was in B? in the end, yes. that he had no intention of travelling to C? in the end, yes.

Is the man worried about his own safety? no. about his family? yes. Did the man know about the situation in C? at some point, yes. Explore.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:18 pm
by Doriana
Did the man learn about the situation in C before his family contacted him? while they were talking? afterwards?

Did the man misunderstand why his family was worried? Did his family ask the man where he was? if he was in C? Was he confused as to why they would ask him that? Did he think his family (or the family member he talked to) was delusional?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:24 pm
by hominid
Did the man learn about the situation in C before his family contacted him? while they were talking? afterwards? roughly the same time, also there might be a slight FA here.

Did the man misunderstand why his family was worried? not in the least. Did his family ask the man where he was? I would assume so, but irrelevant. if he was in C? probably. Was he confused as to why they would ask him that? if they did ask him that, he would be confused, yes. Did he think his family (or the family member he talked to) was delusional? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:29 pm
by Doriana
Is the FA that they were talking? If so, did they communicate via text? e-mail?

Relevant how the man learned about the situation in C?

Is the man worried about his family's health? safety? money?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:43 pm
by hominid
Is the FA that they were talking? Yes, although they would have talked eventually. If so, did they communicate via text? this. e-mail?

Relevant how the man learned about the situation in C? assume via a notification on his phone, like "Breaking News: Tragedy in Country C".

Is the man worried about his family's health? safety? money? Potentially all of these.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:48 pm
by Doriana
Does the man think his family is in C?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:06 am
by hominid
Does the man think his family is in C? no, but I can see how you got that from my previous post.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:16 am
by Doriana
Does the family initiate the text conversation? does the man?

Exact wording of any of the texts relevant?

Does the family tell the man that his bank has contacted them? Does the man think his family has fallen for a scam?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:21 am
by hominid
Does the family initiate the text conversation? yes. does the man? no.

Exact wording of any of the texts relevant? YES.

Does the family tell the man that his bank has contacted them? eventually, yes. Does the man think his family has fallen for a scam? no.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:08 am
by Balin
Is the name of the place where he purchased the tickets (or traveled to) identical to the name of Country C?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:18 am
by hominid
Is the name of the place where he purchased the tickets (or traveled to) identical to the name of Country C? irrelevant.

Re: [Hominid] A nice break

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:11 am
by Doriana
Is the first text relevant? If so, is it something like "CALL US RIGHT NOW!!!", which makes the man think his family is in danger / there is a family emergency?

Re: [Hominid] A nice break (ARRIVED)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:08 pm
by hominid
Is the first text relevant? If so, is it something like "CALL US RIGHT NOW!!!", which makes the man think his family is in danger / there is a family emergency? yes, and now I think all the important information has been discovered.

********************************************SPOILER***********************************************

An American man is in the UK for a few months, and buys a train ticket for a day trip to an area of the UK with poor Internet service. Unbeknownst to him, the company he bought the ticket from is based in Country C. The bank back in the US sees this on his bank statement, and thinks that he must have traveled to Country C without telling them, which he wasn't supposed to do. This makes them angry, and they try to contact the man (which doesn't work because he's in an area with poor phone and Internet reception) and then contact his family. His family has just learned of a horrible event happening in Country C and they are worried that the man was caught in it, which is why he isn't responding to their texts.

The man returns to his home base in the UK not knowing that anything is amiss, but then he receives a text from a member of his family saying "CALL HOME IMMEDIATELY!!!" and he believes that something bad must have happened at home. He also sees on the news that something bad happened in Country C, which makes him sad. He immediately calls home and is relieved to find out that nothing is wrong; there was just a misunderstanding about his bank statement.

This is loosely based on a true story that happened to me, but I changed some of the details to make it a more cohesive puzzle. Congratulations on solving, Doriana, and there were great questions from GalFisk, Balin, and emeraldink.