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[WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 am
by WiZ
Amanda is a young woman from Wellington. She and her two male friends, Ben and Calvin, are looking for work. One day, they see a job advertisement, calling for men. Ben and Calvin realise they are not qualified, but Amanda applies, and is successful. How come?

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Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:48 am
by AlbatrossLover
Did the advertisement actually say that only men were allowed to apply?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:30 am
by LemonCurry
Are the „men“ they are looking for living male humans?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:31 am
by Doriana
Are Ben and Calvin not qualified because of their age? physical characteristics? education? (lack of) experience? skill set? religion? language background? ethnicity?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:04 am
by GalFisk
Does the advertised job need men to: look like men? Sound like men? Talk like men? Act like men?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:33 am
by WiZ
AlbatrossLover

Welcome, by the way.

Did the advertisement actually say that only men were allowed to apply? no

LemonCurry

Are the „men“ they are looking for living yes male not necessarily humans? yes

Doriana

Are Ben and Calvin not qualified because of their age? no physical characteristics? yes education? (lack of) experience? skill set? religion? language background? no to rest ethnicity? I don't think so, but I'm not sure. To exclude them on this basis would likely have had unfortunate implications, but there would be some incentive to do so nonetheless.

GalFisk

Does the advertised job need men to: look like men? Sound like men? Talk like men? Act like men? yes to all

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:50 am
by wolfier
Does the fact that Amanda is from Wellington relevant - could it be any other city?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:53 am
by WiZ
Does the fact that Amanda is from Wellington relevant yes - could it be any other city? it could be a number of other cities, but not all other cities

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:58 am
by AlbatrossLover
Is language relevant? A specific dialect? Local slang?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:27 am
by GalFisk
Is the reason she gets the job based on something serious/realistic? A joke? A pun? An insult?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:05 am
by LemonCurry
Are they looking for „men“ as in men‘s voices in a choir, and Amanda has such a low voice?

edited due to language blooper

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:26 am
by Doriana
Does the job have a minimum height requirement that Amanda meets but the boys don't?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:25 pm
by Enjay
Does "a job advertisement calling for men" mean the job could somehow be described as "calling for men"?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:16 am
by WiZ
AlbatrossLover

Is language relevant? A specific dialect? Local slang? no to all

GalFisk

Is the reason she gets the job based on something serious/realistic? yes A joke? A pun? An insult? no to rest

LemonCurry

Are they looking for „men“ as in men‘s voices in a choir, and Amanda has such a low voice? no, but this logic is somewhat ORT

Doriana

Does the job have a minimum height requirement yope to yesish that Amanda meets but the boys don't? effectively yes - but Amanda is not the tallest of the three. In fact, she could be the shortest

Enjay

Does "a job advertisement calling for men" mean the job could somehow be described as "calling for men"? beautifully lateral, but sadly no

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:20 am
by AlbatrossLover
Were they looking for short men/people? People of a very specific height?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:15 am
by klondike mary
'Wellington' is the city in NZ, right?
Is the nature of the job relevant, e.g. in the arts? sciences? business? Are they actors? models?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:28 am
by GalFisk
Do they want short people? Thin people? Lightweight people? Strong people?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:13 pm
by LemonCurry
Are any anti-discrimination laws relevant?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:35 pm
by Zanreo
Do they want people to play a specific (type of) character?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:01 am
by WiZ
AlbatrossLover

Were they looking for short men/people? no People of a very specific height? Specific, yes; very, no

Klondike Mary

'Wellington' is the city in NZ, right? Yes; the city where I currently live and work (even now that 'where I live' and 'where I work' are two different places again)
Is the nature of the job relevant yes, e.g. in the arts? yes sciences? business? no to these
Are they actors? This is a separate question, but I will allow it. Yes
models? no

GalFisk

Do they want short people? Thin people? Lightweight people? Strong people? no to all

LemonCurry

Are any anti-discrimination laws relevant? no

Zanreo

Do they want people to play a specific (type of) character? yes

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:44 am
by AlbatrossLover
Does the character wear a mask/costume that covers their face?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:53 pm
by markobr
Actors: In a theatre? Film actors? Historical reenactment? Or actors in an educational setting (e.g. people acting as patients in the training of docors/paramedics)?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:39 pm
by Enjay
Did the job need people who have a certain physical characteristic that is usually only held by men?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:46 pm
by WiZ
AlbatrossLover

Does the character wear a mask/costume that covers their face? no

Markobr

Actors: In a theatre? no Film actors? yes Historical reenactment? Or actors in an educational setting (e.g. people acting as patients in the training of docors/paramedics)? no to both

Enjay

Did the job need people who have a certain physical characteristic that is usually only held by men? At absolute face value, the answer is yes, but this could be very misleading.

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:07 pm
by Doriana
Lord of the Rings relevant?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:11 pm
by Enjay
Did whoever placed the advert expect to receive applications from men? Women?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:14 pm
by WiZ
Doriana

Lord of the Rings relevant? very!

Enjay

Did whoever placed the advert expect to receive applications from men? Women? both

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:15 pm
by Doriana
Are they looking for people to play hobbits? dwarves? elves?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:16 pm
by Enjay
Will the actors be playing men? Women? People of unspecified gender? Non-human Middle Earth creatures?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:18 pm
by WiZ
Doriana

Are they looking for people to play hobbits? dwarves? elves? No, in the context of the ad that Amanda responded to

Enjay

Will the actors be playing men? Women? People of unspecified gender? By and large, these people will be playing characters who present as the same gender as the actors do. That's a very 21-st century sentence. Non-human Middle Earth creatures? no!

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm
by Enjay
Did the ad also call for women?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:26 pm
by Doriana
Did the actors have to be of a specific height in relation to non-human Middle Earth characters?

Re: [WiZ] Because She's a Man, Duh (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:31 pm
by WiZ
Enjay

Did the ad also call for women? The ad called for men, but was open to female-bodied and/or female-identifying citizens of Earth.

Doriana

Did the actors have to be of a specific height in relation to non-human Middle Earth characters? yes

I think that's enough.

***** SPOILER *****

It was a casting call for the Lord of the Rings films. They were looking for extras to play people of 'the race of men' (i.e. the humans of Middle Earth). Amanda is of average height and is accepted. Ben is very short and later lands a role as a hobbit. Calvin is extremely tall and strong, and lands a role as an Uruk-hai.


Congratulations to everyone, particularly Doriana for the final piece of the puzzle, and thank you everyone for playing!