[Admin] Lie Down

[Admin]

Why did he lie down next to a dead body?

[trebor]

He = HAM? Did he know the body was dead when he laid next to it? Did he even know the body was there? Was he acquainted with the dead creature when it was alive? Was he related to it? A friend? Co-worker? Trainer? Owner?

The dead body = HAM? HAF?

Was this indoors? Outdoors? At a cemetery? On a battlefield? In a bed? Did he lie down next to the body for protection? To hide? To do something with/to the body?

Does this involve a religious ceremony or rites in some way? Did the dead body die at this location? Relevant what it died of? If so, accidental causes? Suicide? Murder? Natural causes? Disease? Illness? Blunt force trauma? Falling from a height? Stabbing? Gunshot? Drowning? Had the body died within an hour of him lying next to it? A day? Week? Month? Year? Century?

Is his profession relevant? Is the dead body's?

[Admin]

Hi Trebor,

Good questions.

He = HAM? Did he know the body was dead when he laid next to it? Did he even know the body was there?
YES

Was he acquainted with the dead creature when it was alive? Was he related to it? A friend? Co-worker? Trainer? Owner?
NO

The dead body = HAM? HAF?
HUMAN, ADULT, MALE

Was this indoors?
YES

Outdoors? At a cemetery? On a battlefield? In a bed?
NO

Did he lie down next to the body for protection? To hide?
NO

To do something with/to the body?
YES

Does this involve a religious ceremony or rites in some way?
NO

Did the dead body die at this location? Relevant what it died of?
YES, YES

If so, accidental causes? Suicide?
NO

Murder?
YES - ISH

Natural causes? Disease? Illness? Blunt force trauma? Falling from a height? Stabbing?
NO

Gunshot?
YES

Drowning?
NO

Had the body died within an hour of him lying next to it?
YES

A day? Week? Month? Year? Century?
SEE ABOVE

Is his profession relevant? Is the dead body's?
YES. A LITTLE TO BOTH

[trebor]

So murder is yes-ish. Manslaughter? Can we call the man who laid down Landon and the dead man David? Did Landon kill David? Was he there when David died? Is Landon a medical worker? A coroner?

Are they in a hospital? Doctor's office? School? Other public building? Restaurant? Office building? David's house? Landon's house? Had David been committing a burglary? Had Landon?

Was Landon trying to alter something about the appearance of the body? The positioning of the body? Was he removing something from under David? Putting something under David? Is it relevant what David was wearing? Are they handcuffed to each other? Is Landon trying to mislead someone? Possibly investigators?

[GalFisk]

War relevant? Weapons of war? Do they have the same profession? Are they soldiers? Is he doing something unethical?

[Admin]

Hi Galfisk,

War relevant?
YES

Weapons of war?
NOT REALLY

Do they have the same profession?
NO

Are they soldiers?
ONE IS

Is he doing something unethical?
NO

[GalFisk]

Was the dead man a soldier? Is the living man a soldier? Relevant which war? When? Enemy actions relevant to the living man's actions? Relevant why the dead man died? How? Is anything worn or carried by the dead man relevant?

[Admin]

Trebor,

So murder is yes-ish. Manslaughter?
YES - ISH

Can we call the man who laid down Landon and the dead man David?
OK

Did Landon kill David?
NO. OR PROBABLY NOT.

Was he there when David died?
YES

Is Landon a medical worker? A coroner?
NO

Are they in a hospital? Doctor's office? School? Other public building? Restaurant? Office building?
NO

David's house?
YES

Landon's house?
NO

Had David been committing a burglary? Had Landon?
NO

Was Landon trying to alter something about the appearance of the body? The positioning of the body? Was he removing something from under David? Putting something under David? Is it relevant what David was wearing? Are they handcuffed to each other? Is Landon trying to mislead someone? Possibly investigators?
NO TO ALL THOSE

[Admin]

GALFISK,

Was the dead man a soldier?
NO

Is the living man a soldier?
YES

Relevant which war? When?
A LITTLE.

Enemy actions relevant to the living man's actions?
NOT TO LYING DOWN - NO

Relevant why the dead man died? How?
HE WAS SHOT

Is anything worn or carried by the dead man relevant?
NO

[GalFisk]

Was the dead man shot by a soldier? As an act of war? Is the dead man a civilian? Occupation of the dead man relevant? Did the living man shoot the dead man? Is there a battle going on when he lies down? Was there one when the man died? When lying down, does the soldier anticipate that he'll soon stand up? Keep lying for some time? Perform some other action? Such as crawling? Playing dead? Fighting?

[Admin]

Galfisk,

Was the dead man shot by a soldier?
YES

As an act of war?
DEBATABLE - NOT EXACTLY

Is the dead man a civilian?
I WOULD SAY YES.

Occupation of the dead man relevant?
NOT REALLY

Did the living man shoot the dead man?
POSSIBLY, BUT PROBABLY NOT.

Is there a battle going on when he lies down?
NO

Was there one when the man died?
NOT EXACTLY A BATTLE

When lying down, does the soldier anticipate that he'll soon stand up? Keep lying for some time?
YES, NO

Perform some other action? Such as crawling? Playing dead? Fighting?
NO

[JenBurdoo]

Was the man killed during a riot? A rebellion? A protest? Accidentally?

[Admin]

Hi Jen,

Was the man killed during a riot? A rebellion? A protest? Accidentally?
NO

[trebor]

Are Landon and David citizens of the same country? Had a military drill been run? Was a role-playing scenario going on?

HadDavid been mistaken for someone else? Did they think someone else lived at the house? Did someone else relevant live there? Had he recently purchased the house of someone the military wanted dead?

[Admin]

Trebor,

Are Landon and David citizens of the same country? Had a military drill been run? Was a role-playing scenario going on?
NO

Had David been mistaken for someone else? Did they think someone else lived at the house? Did someone else relevant live there? Had he recently purchased the house off someone the military wanted dead?
NO

[AlbatrossLover]

Was David executed? Killed in self-defense?

[Admin]

Alba,

Was David executed?
YES

Killed in self-defense?
NO

[GalFisk]

Is the lying down symbolic? Practical? Relevant why David was executed? Was he executed by firing squad? By one person? Are Landon's emotions while lying down relevant? If so, is he: glad? Sad? Afraid? Tired? Defiant? Angry? Distraught? Deceptive? Demonstrative? Satisfied? Relaxed? Reluctant? Resigned? Does someone relevant see him lying down? Is he photographed?

[Admin]

Galfisk,

Is the lying down symbolic? Practical?
NO, YES

Relevant why David was executed?
YES

Was he executed by firing squad?
NO

By one person?
I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY YES

Are Landon's emotions while lying down relevant?
NO

If so, is he: glad? Sad? Afraid? Tired? Defiant? Angry? Distraught? Deceptive? Demonstrative? Satisfied? Relaxed? Reluctant? Resigned?
NO OR IRRELEVANT

Does someone relevant see him lying down?
YES

Is he photographed?
I DON'T THINK SO.

[JenBurdoo]

Holocaust relevant? Other atrocity?

Is Landon making a statement?

[Admin]

Jen,

Holocaust relevant?
NO

Other atrocity?
YES

Is Landon making a statement?
NO

[JenBurdoo]

Was either man a prisoner? Is Landon shamming dead? Is the time of day or weather relevant? Visibility? Are they in a trench or grave?

[wolfier]

Did the soldier do anything relevant after lying down? Friendly fire relevant? Did anyone relevantly commit treason?

[Admin]

Wolfier,

Did the soldier do anything relevant after lying down? Friendly fire relevant? Did anyone relevantly commit treason?

NO NO NO

[Admin]

JEN,

Was either man a prisoner? Is Landon shamming dead? Is the time of day or weather relevant? Visibility? Are they in a trench or grave?
NO TO ALL THOSE

[trebor]

When David woke up that day did he expect to be dead at the end of it? Was he the only one executed that day? Had he done something that he knew put him at risk of execution? Is his ethnicity relevant? Something else about him that linked him to a group?

He died in his house, right? Or at home? Was the killer also in his home? Sniping him? Was there anything unusual about the home? (ie., he lived in a prison or camp?)

20th century conflict? 21st? 19th? 18th? In Europe? North America? Central America? South America? Oceania? Africa? Asia?

Did Landon lie down to check David’s pockets? To check something about his clothing? To plant something on David?

[Admin]

Trebor,

When David woke up that day did he expect to be dead at the end of it?
NO

Was he the only one executed that day?
NO

Had he done something that he knew put him at risk of execution?
YES

Is his ethnicity relevant? Something else about him that linked him to a group?
YES

He died in his house, right? Or at home?
YES

Was the killer also in his home?
WHEN HE WAS SHOT, YES.
NORMALLY, NO.

Sniping him?
NO

Was there anything unusual about the home? (ie., he lived in a prison or camp?)
YES - BUT NOT A PRISON

20th century conflict? 21st? 19th? 18th? In Europe? North America? Central America? South America? Oceania? Africa? Asia?
21ST CENTURY, ASIA

Did Landon lie down to check David’s pockets? To check something about his clothing? To plant something on David?
NO

[GalFisk]

Atrocity: murder? Genocide? Brutality? Destruction? Invasion? War crime?

[Admin]

Hi Galfisk,

AT SOME STAGE IN THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED

Atrocity: murder?
YES

Genocide?
NO

Brutality? Destruction? Invasion?
YES

War crime?
I WOULD SAY NO.

[GalFisk]

Is David an invader? Being invaded? Is Landon an invader? Being invaded? Do we need to know which country/group is invading? Is being invaded? Terrorism relevant? Annexation?

[Admin]

GALFISK,

Is David an invader?
NO

Being invaded?
IN A SENSE YES

Is Landon an invader?
I WOULD SAY YES

Being invaded?
NO

Do we need to know which country/group is invading? Is being invaded? Terrorism relevant?
YES, YES, YES

Annexation?
NO

'INVASION' IS A LITTLE MISLEADING. IT IS INVOLVED BUT IS NOT CENTRAL TO THE ISSUE.

[wolfier]

Did London Lie down to check that David is who they think? To identify him? Is the raid of Bin Laden related?

[JenBurdoo]

Afghanistan or Iraq relevant?

[Admin]

Jen,

Afghanistan or Iraq relevant?
YES, NO

[Admin]

Wolfier,

Did London Lie down to check that David is who they think?
YES

To identify him?
YES

Is the raid of Bin Laden related?
YES

[JenBurdoo]

Is London one of the SEALs who killed Bin Laden?

[Admin]

Jen,

Is London one of the SEALs who killed Bin Laden?

YES

[JenBurdoo]

Are we now trying to figure out why London would have to lie down to identify Bin Laden? Is there a reason that the corpse couldn't be touched, moved or picked up at this point?

Did Bin Laden have some distinguishing feature, such as a mole or tattoo, that London is looking for?

[Admin]

JEN,

Are we now trying to figure out why London would have to lie down to identify Bin Laden?
YES

Is there a reason that the corpse couldn't be touched, moved or picked up at this point?
NO

Did Bin Laden have some distinguishing feature, such as a mole or tattoo, that London is looking for?
NO

[trebor]

Was he checking for religious wear? For communications devices? For a weapon? Body doubles relevant?

[Balin]

Was he checking the corpse's height against his own height?

[Admin]

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Balin,

Was he checking the corpse's height against his own height?
YES

When the US seal team shot (executed?) Osama Bin Laden they had to verify that they had got the right man. They carried out some tests. One test was to measure his height - OBL was 6ft 5 in tall. However, they had forgotten to bring a measuring tape. So they asked one soldier who was 6ft 5 to lie down next to the body to check.