[Balin] Rx marks the spot

[Balin]

A doctor prescribed drugs to a patient and thus saved the patient's life, even though the patient's condition was not life-threatening. How?

[Doriana]

Doctor = H/A/F? H/A/M?
Patient = H/A/F? H/A/M? a child? an animal?

Relevant what the patient's condition was?

WAG: The patient went to the pharmacy to get the prescription filled. If they had not taken the detour, they would have died in a car crash.

[WiZ]

Was this a typical prescription for the patient's condition? Did the doctor suspect the possibility of death for the patient and prescribe accordingly?

Did the patient take the drugs? Did this have a relevant effect? If so, an unexpected one?

Did the patient give the drugs to anyone else? Was anything event relevantly done with the drugs? Did the mere act of the prescription cause the patient's life to be saved?

Was the patient spared death by illness? Injury? Violence? Would a medical issue have been at fault for their death?

Is anyone else involved?

[Balin]

Doctor = H/A/F? H/A/M? Either
Patient = H/A/F? H/A/M? Either a child? an animal? Neither

Relevant what the patient's condition was? No

WAG: The patient went to the pharmacy to get the prescription filled. If they had not taken the detour, they would have died in a car crash. No

Was this a typical prescription for the patient's condition? Yes Did the doctor suspect the possibility of death for the patient and prescribe accordingly? No

Did the patient take the drugs? Yes Did this have a relevant effect? Yes If so, an unexpected one? Yes

Did the patient give the drugs to anyone else? No Was anything event relevantly done with the drugs? Yes Did the mere act of the prescription cause the patient's life to be saved? No

Was the patient spared death by illness? Injury? Violence? This Would a medical issue have been at fault for their death? No

Is anyone else involved? Yes

[CoffeeBean]

Is there only one other person involved in the situation besides the doctor and patient? More than one?

Did the patient ever take the medication? Was the medication taken from him/her? By force? By deception?

[raevenclaw]

relevant what kind of drugs they were? the effect they were supposed to have/a side effect of the drugs?

[Balin]

Is there only one other person involved in the situation besides the doctor and patient? Primarily More than one?

Did the patient ever take the medication? Yes Was the medication taken from him/her? No By force? By deception?

relevant what kind of drugs they were? No the effect they were supposed to have? No a side effect of the drugs? Yes

[trebor]

Would the patient have been murdered? Died in a car crash? Had a massive fall? Violently injured themself?

[AlbatrossLover]

Did the side effect help the patient avoid the violent situation? Survive violence that would have been lethal otherwise?

[Balin]

Would the patient have been murdered? This Died in a car crash? Had a massive fall? Violently injured themself?

Did the side effect help the patient avoid the violent situation? This, indirectly Survive violence that would have been lethal otherwise?

[AlbatrossLover]

Is the other relevant person the one that would've killed the patient? Is their motive for killing relevant? The method they'd have used? Did anyone else end up dying in the situation that would've killed the patient?

Did the side effect cause the patient to not go to the place where they would've been killed? Was the killer caught before anything could happen? Did they intentionally decide to spare the patient?

[Balin]

Is the other relevant person the one that would've killed the patient? Yes Is their motive for killing relevant? No The method they'd have used? It may help set the scene Did anyone else end up dying in the situation that would've killed the patient? Yes

Did the side effect cause the patient to not go to the place where they would've been killed? Indirectly Was the killer caught before anything could happen? No Did they intentionally decide to spare the patient? No

[AlbatrossLover]

Is a mass murder/killing spree relevant? A terrorist attack?

Are the exact side effects relevant? Did they cause pain? Drowsiness? Nausea? Stomach issues? An allergic reaction? Did the side effects make the patient stay home? Go somewhere they weren't planning to go?

[Balin]

Is a mass murder/killing spree relevant? Yes A terrorist attack? No

Are the exact side effects relevant? Yes Did they cause pain? Drowsiness? This Nausea? Stomach issues? An allergic reaction? Did the side effects make the patient stay home? Indirectly Go somewhere they weren't planning to go? But this as well

[AlbatrossLover]

Was the patiently going to attend some kind of event? A concert? Sports game? Party?

Relevant how the patient was planning to go there? Were they driving themselves? Using public transport? Walking?

So the patient ended up staying home after going to the wrong place? Did they mistakenly go somewhere else and think that whatever thing they wanted to attend had been canceled?

[GalFisk]

Did the wroswiness cause the patient to: oversleep? Be late? Choose a different mode of transport? Choose not to go? Was any other person involved in the patient's response to the drowsiness? Such as a friend or spouse telling him not to drive in his condition? Did the medication relevantly interact with another substance? Is drowsiness a common side effect? Relevant?

[Balin]

Was the patiently going to attend some kind of event? A concert? Sports game? Party? None of these

Relevant how the patient was planning to go there? No Were they driving themselves? Using public transport? Walking?

So the patient ended up staying home after going to the wrong place? Staying home, Yes; going to the wrong place, No Did they mistakenly go somewhere else and think that whatever thing they wanted to attend had been canceled? No

Did the drowsiness cause the patient to: oversleep? Be late? Choose a different mode of transport? Choose not to go? This, but be careful of wording Was any other person involved in the patient's response to the drowsiness? Yes Such as a friend or spouse telling him not to drive in his condition? No, but OTRT Did the medication relevantly interact with another substance? No Is drowsiness a common side effect? Relevant? Irrel

[raevenclaw]

did he go somewhere, but left earlier than planned due to the drowsiness? or make him completely unable to go?
is the exact relationship of the other person relevant? if so: friend? sibling? child? parent? coworker? had the other person not been involved, would the patient still have gone to the event? been killed?

[Balin]

did he go somewhere, but left earlier than planned due to the drowsiness? No or make him completely unable to go? The drowsiness made him, indirectly, unable to go somewhere. He did go somewhere else at some point.
is the exact relationship of the other person relevant? Yes if so: friend? sibling? child? parent? coworker? None of these had the other person not been involved, would the patient still have gone to the event? No been killed? No

[Balin]

HINT:
-The patient visited the doctor twice.

[Doriana]

The patient seems to be "he" now, so can we use "she" for the doctor to tell the two apart?

Did he go back to the doctor because he was drowsy? Did he call the doctor because he was drowsy, and she told him to come back?

[Balin]

The patient seems to be "he" now, so can we use "she" for the doctor to tell the two apart? Yes, certainly.

Did he go back to the doctor because he was drowsy? Yes, but that's not all of it Did he call the doctor because he was drowsy, and she told him to come back? Yes, but that's not quite the full sequence of events

[Hobbsicle]

So is the place he didn’t go (where the murder happened) relevant? Is it his workplace? Did the doctor advise him against going? Advise him not to drive? Does he operate heavy machinery? Or otherwise do something where drowsiness would be a significant liability?

[AlbatrossLover]

Did something else relevant happen before he called the doctor? Afterwards? Did he attempt to go to the place of the murder at some point? Did he stay home after going back to the doctor?

[Balin]

So is the place he didn’t go (where the murder happened) relevant? Only that... Is it his workplace? ...it's this Did the doctor advise him against going? Yes, svv of "advise" Advise him not to drive? No Does he operate heavy machinery? No Or otherwise do something where drowsiness would be a significant liability? No

Did something else relevant happen before he called the doctor? Afterwards? This Did he attempt to go to the place of the murder at some point? No Did he stay home after going back to the doctor? Yes

[gregoryuconn]

Did he see the doctor during work hours? Was he at the doctor’s office (or in transit to or from) when the murder occurred?

Did the doctor tell him not to work at all? To work from home? To take time off from work to come see her? Is his job relevant? Was it simply more convenient for him to work from home the rest of the day or take it off entirely after seeing the doctor (perhaps her office was far away or close to his home but not where he worked)?

[AlbatrossLover]

Did the doctor apply another treatment after he went back that made him unable to go to work? Did she discover something new about the patient's condition while he was there?

[Balin]

Did he see the doctor during work hours? No Was he at the doctor’s office (or in transit to or from) when the murder occurred? No

Did the doctor tell him not to work at all? Yes To work from home? No To take time off from work to come see her? No Is his job relevant? It may provide context, but No, not really Was it simply more convenient for him to work from home the rest of the day or take it off entirely after seeing the doctor (perhaps her office was far away or close to his home but not where he worked)? Convenience is not the reason, No

Did the doctor apply another treatment after he went back that made him unable to go to work? No Did she discover something new about the patient's condition while he was there? No

[Doriana]

Is the killing spree a school shooting? If so, is the patient a teacher? and the murderer a student?

Does the patient relevantly call in sick at any point? If so, before the first doctor's visit? between the two visits? after the second visit?

[trebor]

Was it odd that the prescription caused drowsiness? Did the doctor want him to come back because something abnormal was happening? Was she worried about his ability to perform his job? About an underlying health issue that the prescription exposed? About him getting other people at his workplace sick?

When he called the doctor again was she aware of the murder spree already? Was it already going on? Was she involved in it somehow? (Perpetrated by a family member, etc.?) Was it being reported through the news?

[Balin]

Is the killing spree a school shooting? Yes If so, is the patient a teacher? Yes and the murderer a student? Yes

Does the patient relevantly call in sick at any point? Yes If so, before the first doctor's visit? between the two visits? after the second visit? This

Was it odd that the prescription caused drowsiness? No Did the doctor want him to come back because something abnormal was happening? No Was she worried about his ability to perform his job? NoAbout an underlying health issue that the prescription exposed? No About him getting other people at his workplace sick? No
Going to clear an FA here - the patient called for a specific reason to set up the second visit. The worry was on his part, not the doctor's.

When he called the doctor again was she aware of the murder spree already? No Was it already going on? No Was she involved in it somehow? No (Perpetrated by a family member, etc.?) No Was it being reported through the news? No

[Doriana]

Relevant how much time passed between the first and the second visit? Did he go back to the doctor the same day? the day after the first visit? later than that?

Did the patient call the doctor only because he was drowsy? Or because his drowsiness led to something else?

[Balin]

Relevant how much time passed between the first and the second visit? No, assume a few days Did he go back to the doctor the same day? the day after the first visit? later than that? See above. It probably wasn't long

Did the patient call the doctor only because he was drowsy? Yes, but... Or because his drowsiness led to something else? No, but...

[Doriana]

Did he realize he was drowsy? Or did he e.g. call the doctor because he wanted to get out of work, but then the doctor noticed that he sounded drowsy?

[Balin]

Did he realize he was drowsy? Yes Or did he e.g. call the doctor because he wanted to get out of work, but then the doctor noticed that he sounded drowsy? No

You're almost there. I'll add one more piece of info: the reason he didn't go into work wasn't "drowsiness."

[Doriana]

Did the drowsiness cause him to have some kind of accident? E.g. walking into a door? And the resulting injury was the reason he didn't go into work?

[Balin]

Did the drowsiness cause him to have some kind of accident? E.g. walking into a door? And the resulting injury was the reason he didn't go into work? No to these

[trebor]

Was he not merely drowsy, but completely asleep? Did he sleep through his alarms?

[Balin]

Was he not merely drowsy, but completely asleep? No Did he sleep through his alarms? No

[AlbatrossLover]

Did either he or the doctor have a misconception about his condition? Think the drowsiness was a symptom of something else? Did he decide not to go to work after talking with the doctor the second time? On his way back home?

[Balin]

Did either he or the doctor have a misconception about his condition? No Think the drowsiness was a symptom of something else? Yes Did he decide not to go to work after talking with the doctor the second time? On his way back home? Sometime during the second visit to the doctor

[AlbatrossLover]

So the drowsiness indicated something else was wrong with the patient? Something that he was already aware of? Did the doctor think that him going to the school might trigger more symptoms related to this condition?

[Balin]

So the drowsiness indicated something else was wrong with the patient? Not "indicated," but made them suspect Something that he was already aware of? No Did the doctor think that him going to the school might trigger more symptoms related to this condition? No

[Doriana]

Is drowsiness only a side effect for people with a relevant underlying condition? Did the drowsiness indicate that the patient had overdosed on the drug? Does the drowsiness typically precede more severe side effects?

[Balin]

Is drowsiness only a side effect for people with a relevant underlying condition? No Did the drowsiness indicate that the patient had overdosed on the drug? No Does the drowsiness typically precede more severe side effects? No, but OTRT

[Doriana]

Did he experience other side effects as well? Had he experienced other side effects before he became drowsy?

[Balin]

Did he experience other side effects as well? Assume No Had he experienced other side effects before he became drowsy? No

[Doriana]

Interactions with other drugs relevant?
Did the drowsiness indicate that he had been taking the drugs the wrong way?
Relevant how the drug is administered? If so, orally? inhaled? topically? injected? as a suppository?

[Balin]

Interactions with other drugs relevant? No
Did the drowsiness indicate that he had been taking the drugs the wrong way? No
Relevant how the drug is administered? No. Assume it's ingested orally If so, orally? inhaled? topically? injected? as a suppository?

[AlbatrossLover]

Was the drowsiness related to the condition he was taking the drug for in the first place? Did it make the doctor think it was worse than they thought? That he shouldn't have taken the drug in the first place?

[Balin]

Was the drowsiness related to the condition he was taking the drug for in the first place? No Did it make the doctor think it was worse than they thought? Not the doctor, No That he shouldn't have taken the drug in the first place? No

[Doriana]

Did it make the patient think that it was worse than they thought? Did the patient think his condition made him drowsy, instead of the drug? Did he think that he was having a stroke/heart attack/seizure?

[Balin]

Did it make the patient think that it was worse than they thought? Yes Did the patient think his condition made him drowsy, instead of the drug? Not his condition Did he think that he was having a stroke/heart attack/seizure? No

[Doriana]

Relevant where the patient was when the drowsiness set in? what he was doing? Did he think an activity caused the drowsiness? another condition caused the drowsiness?

Googling symptoms relevant?

[Balin]

Relevant where the patient was when the drowsiness set in? what he was doing? Neither
Did he think an activity caused the drowsiness? No another condition caused the drowsiness? Yes

Googling symptoms relevant? No

[AlbatrossLover]

Did he think the drowsiness was caused by a condition he had suffered before? A condition related to a substance besides the drug? Mixing medicine with alcohol/other drugs relevant?

[Balin]

Did he think the drowsiness was caused by a condition he had suffered before? A condition related to a substance besides the drug? Mixing medicine with alcohol/other drugs relevant? No to these

[wolfier]

Was he being honest with the doctor on his second visit or did he hide something from the doctor?

Was he worried that he would not be able to operate a vehicle safely thus did not go to work?

Did he decide to not go to work temporarily, or decided to not go to work from then on, never to return again?

[Balin]

Was he being honest with the doctor on his second visit or did he hide something from the doctor? He was honest

Was he worried that he would not be able to operate a vehicle safely thus did not go to work? No

Did he decide to not go to work temporarily, or decided to not go to work from then on, never to return again? Temporarily

[trebor]

Is it relevant what he thought the condition was (second visit)? Is it relevant what the first visit was for?

Did he actually have an illness/disease the second time he went (as opposed to just thinking he had one)?

Are cardiac issues relevant? Mental health? Blood pressure? Would his ability to teach be affected by any condition he’s worried about?

[Balin]

Is it relevant what he thought the condition was (second visit)? Yes Is it relevant what the first visit was for? No

Did he actually have an illness/disease the second time he went (as opposed to just thinking he had one)? No

Are cardiac issues relevant? Mental health? Blood pressure? No to all Would his ability to teach be affected by any condition he’s worried about? Possibly

[Hobbsicle]

I'm getting a little lost here, so I will ask some recap-type questions...

The patient went to the doctor for whatever irrelevant reason, and the doctor prescribed some medicine? Now the patient goes home, takes the medicine, and a couple of days later he is having the drowsiness symptoms? But he is worried it's a sign of something else? And the specifics of that something else are relevant? Does he communicate the particulars of his symptoms when he sees the doctor again? Does he communicate the particulars of his assumptions when he sees the doctor again? Is the doctor aware that the symptoms are caused by the medicine? Other than the drowsiness, does the doctor receive any new information about the patient's condition? The doctor advises the patient to stay home? Because of the drowsiness symptom? Because of what the drowsiness symptom implies? Because of something else that the patient tells him? Does the doctor relevantly know what the patient does? Is there something yet undiscovered about the relationship of the doctor and the patient? About what kind of doctor she is? About where or how they meet?

[Balin]

The patient went to the doctor for whatever irrelevant reason, and the doctor prescribed some medicine? Now the patient goes home, takes the medicine, and a couple of days later he is having the drowsiness symptoms? But he is worried it's a sign of something else? And the specifics of that something else are relevant? All correct

Does he communicate the particulars of his symptoms when he sees the doctor again? Yes Does he communicate the particulars of his assumptions when he sees the doctor again? Yes Is the doctor aware that the symptoms are caused by the medicine? The doctor suspects it Other than the drowsiness, does the doctor receive any new information about the patient's condition? Irrel The doctor advises the patient to stay home? Yes Because of the drowsiness symptom? Because of what the drowsiness symptom implies? Because of something else that the patient tells him? Because of something that happens at the second visit Does the doctor relevantly know what the patient does? Irrel Is there something yet undiscovered about the relationship of the doctor and the patient? No About what kind of doctor she is? About where or how they meet?

[AlbatrossLover]

Does he show any other symptoms during the second visit? Say something that makes the doctor decide it's best for him to stay home?

[Balin]

Does he show any other symptoms during the second visit? No Say something that makes the doctor decide it's best for him to stay home? Yope

[Hobbsicle]

The patient's assumptions about the drowsiness: caused by a disease or medical issue that is primarily internal (e.g. cancer, organ failure)? Caused by a contagious disease? Caused by some other environmental factor (e.g. radiation, pollution)? Caused by something he ingested? Caused by sleep difficulties? Caused intentionally by someone (e.g. I don't know, aliens)?

If he had gone into the doctor believing that his drowsiness was caused by the medicine, would this situation have still occurred? Is there relevantly a misunderstanding between the two of them?

[Balin]

The patient's assumptions about the drowsiness: caused by a disease or medical issue that is primarily internal (e.g. cancer, organ failure)? Caused by a contagious disease? This Caused by some other environmental factor (e.g. radiation, pollution)? Caused by something he ingested? Caused by sleep difficulties? Caused intentionally by someone (e.g. I don't know, aliens)?

If he had gone into the doctor believing that his drowsiness was caused by the medicine, would this situation have still occurred? No Is there relevantly a misunderstanding between the two of them? No

[Doriana]

Covid relevant? Does the patient think his drowsiness is a symptom of a covid infection?

[Balin]

Covid relevant? Does the patient think his drowsiness is a symptom of a covid infection? Yes.

****SPOILER****

The patient feels drowsy after taking medication prescribed by his doctor. Not realizing drowsiness is a side effect of the medicine, he returns to the doctor and requests a COVID test. Because of the test, the doctor instructs him to self-quarantine while waiting for the results to come back in. As such, he does not go to work and is at home when a mass shooting takes place.

[Doriana]

Nice puzzle, took us way too long to figure that one out!

[Hobbsicle]

Agree, that wasn't as hard as we were making it, good one

[trebor]

Ah, man. The one time we actually should’ve asked about COVID!