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[AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:08 am

A man starts reading a book. He's already familiar with the story, and the book is in a language he understands, yet he finds it really difficult to comprehend what's going on with the story at first. Why?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:21 am

Is the story the same edition as the one he is familiar with? Is it a new one? Does it come with a preface?
Is the book nonfiction? Fiction?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:29 am

Is the story the same edition as the one he is familiar with? Yope Is it a new one? No Does it come with a preface? No/Irrelevant Is the book nonfiction? Fiction? This
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:11 am

Is the genre of the mystery relevant?
Is the story in a different type of language? Different Shakespearean content relevant?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:15 am

Is the genre of the mystery relevant? No (and a small FA since the story's main genre isn't mystery but not really relevant) Is the story in a different type of language? No Different Shakespearean content relevant? No
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:41 am

Would others have the same problem with this book? Did the book's author intend for this problem to occur? Is the man having a stroke or other brain/mind malfunction?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby wunderland » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:54 am

Is he familiar with the story from having previously read the same physical book? another identical copy? a book in which the story is told using the same words in the same order, but with some other relevant difference from the book he is now reading? another book? or has he previously encountered the story in a non-book medium? such as a film?
Is it the sort of story where knowing the ending seems to change the meaning of the start?
Does he start at the beginning and proceed through the pages in the usual order?
Is it a printed book? an ebook? relevant?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:02 pm

Is he reading in Braille?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:20 pm

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Would others have the same problem with this book? Depending on certain factors, yes. Did the book's author intend for this problem to occur? No Is the man having a stroke or other brain/mind malfunction? No

wunderland
Is he familiar with the story from having previously read the same physical book? another identical copy? a book in which the story is told using the same words in the same order, but with some other relevant difference from the book he is now reading? another book? or has he previously encountered the story in a non-book medium? this, no to rest such as a film? but not this
Is it the sort of story where knowing the ending seems to change the meaning of the start? Irrelevant/FA
Does he start at the beginning and proceed through the pages in the usual order? Yes-ish
Is it a printed book? an ebook? relevant? some factors make it more likely to be the latter, but not really relevant to the solution

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Is he reading in Braille? No
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:49 pm

Has he seen a stage production of the story? Heard an audio recitation of it?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:27 pm

Is it a nonlinear book? Choose your own adventure? Are the orders of events in the book different from the other work?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:30 pm

Is it a widely-known story that's often told orally or in other forms? Like a fairy tale? Is it a true story?

Does he find it difficult because it is different than the story he is familiar with? Does he understand the story as it is written, but is confused because it seems unfamiliar? Or is he actually finding it difficult to comprehend the plot?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:36 pm

Character names relevant? Does the book use different names than the ones that were used in whatever version of the story he's familiar with? If so, translations relevant? (I remember struggling with HP7 in French because they localized almost all of the character/place names...)
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:17 am

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Has he seen a stage production of the story? Heard an audio recitation of it? No to both

GalFisk
Is it a nonlinear book? Choose your own adventure? Are the orders of events in the book different from the other work? No to all

irishelk
Is it a widely-known story that's often told orally or in other forms? Like a fairy tale? Is it a true story? No to all

Does he find it difficult because it is different than the story he is familiar with? Does he understand the story as it is written, but is confused because it seems unfamiliar? Or is he actually finding it difficult to comprehend the plot? This (or more specifically finding it difficult to understand the story as its being told), no to the rest

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Character names relevant? No Does the book use different names than the ones that were used in whatever version of the story he's familiar with? If so, translations relevant? ]Not in the way the preceding questions imply. In general, Yope(I remember struggling with HP7 in French because they localized almost all of the character/place names...)

The FA I pointed out in the previous batch of questions isn't present in any of the questions above, but figuring out what it is might help.
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Doriana » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:37 am

Is something wrong with his copy of the book? Are the pages in the wrong order? Are there pages missing?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby biograd » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:30 pm

The "No" answer to the question about "often told orally" eliminated my two first guesses, which were "Ladle Rat Rotten Hut" and "N'heures Souris Rames" (those of you unfamiliar with either or both of those should look them up--they're good and funny).

Anyway, would he have the same problem with any copy of this particular book? or is there something unique about this one?

Is the FA that there is only one story involved? that the story has only one beginning and one ending?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:55 am

Doriana
Is something wrong with his copy of the book? No Are the pages in the wrong order? No, but this line of thinking is somewhat OTRT Are there pages missing? No


biograd
Anyway, would he have the same problem with any copy of this particular book? this or is there something unique about this one?

Is the FA that there is only one story involved? No that the story has only one beginning and one ending? Saying yes/yope to this feels too misleading for something that's not directly relevant to the solution so I'll clarify: the FA was that the story already had an ending.
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:52 am

Is the problem cause by: him? The book? The author? Is it deliberate? Does he expect it to occur when deciding to read the book? Does he want it to occur? Does it add to his experience? Is he reading it for pleasure? As part of his work? As a hobby? In order to proofread? Edit: does his comprehension get better with time? If so, becuase the book is more comprehensible? Because he gets better at comprehending it?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby klondike mary » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:40 pm

Is the story 'based on a real-life occurrence' ? Does the reader have a different viewpoint/ opinion about the occurrence or its outcome than the author?
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Postby irishelk » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:40 pm

Is the story completely written yet? If not, is it part of a series? Was it intentionally left unfinished or with a vague ending? Did the author not have a chance to finish it in their lifetime? Are they still writing it? Is the man the author?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:11 pm

GalFisk
Is the problem cause by: him? this-ish The book? The author? Is it deliberate? NoDoes he expect it to occur when deciding to read the book? No Does he want it to occur? NoDoes it add to his experience? No Is he reading it for pleasure? Most likely this but irrelevant As part of his work? As a hobby? In order to proofread? Edit: does his comprehension get better with time? YesIf so, becuase the book is more comprehensible? Because he gets better at comprehending it? Yope


klondike mary
Is the story 'based on a real-life occurrence' ? Does the reader have a different viewpoint/ opinion about the occurrence or its outcome than the author?No to both

irishelk
Is the story completely written yet? NoIf not, is it part of a series? Yes, but maybe not in the way you're thinking Was it intentionally left unfinished or with a vague ending? Did the author not have a chance to finish it in their lifetime? Are they still writing it? this Is the man the author? No
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Postby Doriana » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:14 pm

Is the book published in installments?
Fan fiction relevant?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:18 pm

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Is the book published in installments? Yes
Fan fiction relevant? No
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby wunderland » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:37 pm

When he "starts reading" the book does he start at the first installment? The first one he hasn't already encountered? A later installment that he thinks is the first one he hasn't already encountered?
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Postby Doriana » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:26 pm

Relevant where the installments are published? Are some installments published in outlet A, and some in outlet B, but he only reads one of the two?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:53 pm

wunderland
When he "starts reading" the book does he start at the first installment? this, no to rest The first one he hasn't already encountered? A later installment that he thinks is the first one he hasn't already encountered?

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Relevant where the installments are published? Are some installments published in outlet A, and some in outlet B, but he only reads one of the two? No to both, OTWT
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Doriana » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:01 pm

Does he skip installments?
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Postby wunderland » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:05 pm

Have some of the earlier instalments been altered since he previously encountered them? perhaps the author took the story in a new direction and needed to change some earlier details as a result? to confirm: is there just one author?
Was the version of the story that he previously encountered, simply some instalments of the book in (electronic) print?
Did the man previously encounter the story using his sense of: sight? sound? touch? (less likely I suppose, but this is the LTPF:) taste? smell?
Were the instalments published in the same order as they appear in the book?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:25 pm

Doriana
Does he skip installments? No

wunderland
Have some of the earlier instalments been altered since he previously encountered them? No perhaps the author took the story in a new direction and needed to change some earlier details as a result? No to confirm: is there just one author? Yes
Was the version of the story that he previously encountered, simply some instalments of the book in (electronic) print? No, it was an adaptation in a different medium
Did the man previously encounter the story using his sense of: sight? this... sound? and this, no to rest. touch? (less likely I suppose, but this is the LTPF:) taste? smell?
Were the instalments published in the same order as they appear in the book? Yes
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:38 pm

So, does the book consist of the parts of the series, which were previously published separately, now compiled? Does the man's confusion stem from his not knowing that the story was published serially? Does the book present this information in a way that confuses him? e.g., it includes the date of original publication before each section?

Are the installments relevantly episodic? Or relevantly connected in a bigger story? Cliffhangers at all relevant? Does each installment re-introduce the characters or situation?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:02 pm

pm sent.
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:34 pm

irishelk
So, does the book consist of the parts of the series, which were previously published separately, now compiled? yes Does the man's confusion stem from his not knowing that the story was published serially? NoDoes the book present this information in a way that confuses him? e.g., it includes the date of original publication before each section? No/irr

Are the installments relevantly episodic? Or relevantly connected in a bigger story? Cliffhangers at all relevant? Does each installment re-introduce the characters or situation? No/irr to all


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pm sent That's it!

Hint: Think about what kinds of books would be published this way.
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:15 pm

Is it the trade paperback of a comic book? If so, is it somehow very different than a movie that was later made from it? Do the characters look very different?

Is it a serial from an old magazine? I was initially thinking Conan Doyle or Mark Twain...anything along those lines?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:33 pm

irishelk
Is it the trade paperback of a comic book? Not exactly this, but it is indeed a collection of comic book installments. If so, is it somehow very different than a movie that was later made from it? Do the characters look very different? No to both, there are no relevant differences between what the man is reading and the adaptation he's familiar with.

Is it a serial from an old magazine? I was initially thinking Conan Doyle or Mark Twain...anything along those lines?No to these
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Enjay » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:43 pm

Has he read comic books before? Does he have difficulty understanding how to follow them?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:10 pm

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Has he read comic books before? Yes, but... Does he have difficulty understanding how to follow them? Not comics in general, but...
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm

Not quite comic books - is he reading manga? Starting at the wrong end of the book?
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Re: [AlbatrossLover] This might be a strange question

Postby AlbatrossLover » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:41 pm

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Not quite comic books - is he reading manga? Yes!Starting at the wrong end of the book? Not exactly this but basically the same concept.

******SPOILER******


The man is reading a manga volume for the first time, after having already watched its Anime adaptation. He intends to read the first few chapters quickly, since he already knows what happens, but as he isn't aware that the panels are meant to be read right to left the dialogue and story seem to be quite confusing until he realizes his mistake.

Based on a somewhat infamous post in the Attack on Titan reddit, where someone allegedly read the first 45 chapters of the manga without realising how the pages are meant to be read. The title is a reference to that series.

Congratulations to JenBurdoo and Balin for finding the solution, and thanks again to everyone for playing!
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Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:44 pm

Aw, good one! I know this in theory about manga, but it always takes me some time to adjust when I open one.
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