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[klondike mary] 80/20

Postby klondike mary » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:18 pm

He displayed reasoning and innovation on an almost-genius level.

Unfortunately, he did display reasoning and innovation on an almost-genius level.
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby wunderland » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:35 pm

He: a HAM? a non-human animal? Both hes the same?
Distinction between "displayed" and "did display" relevant?
Should the first sentence be interpreted as: impressive? unimpressive? fortunate? unfortunate?
Does the first sentence describe: a specific event? his behaviour over a period of time?
Does the second sentence describe: a specific event? his behaviour over a period of time? Does it refer to the same event / time period as the first sentence?
Unfortunately: for him? for one specific human other than him? for multiple humans? for one or more non-human animals? Was it fortunate for anyone?
Did it result in, or increase the risk of: loss of life? injury? illness? financial loss? embarrassment?
Would it have been less unfortunate had he displayed reasoning and innovation: on a genius level? on a nowhere-near-genius level? not at all?
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby klondike mary » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:10 pm

He: a HAM? HCM a non-human animal? Both hes the same?yes
Distinction between "displayed" and "did display" relevant?yessish
Should the first sentence be interpreted as: impressive? yessishunimpressive? fortunate? yesunfortunate?
Does the first sentence describe: a specific event?yes his behaviour over a period of time?
Does the second sentence describe: a specific event?yes his behaviour over a period of time? Does it refer to the same event / time period as the first sentence?yes
Unfortunately: for him? yes.for one specific human other than him? for multiple humans? for one or more non-human animals? Was it fortunate for anyone?yes.
Did it result in, or increase the risk of: loss of life? injury? either very remotely possible.illness? financial loss? embarrassment?
Would it have been less unfortunate had he displayed reasoning and innovation: on a genius level? on a nowhere-near-genius level? not at all?Difficult to answer. I think he was about on the right level.
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby wunderland » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:55 pm

I foolishly neglected to ask: did it result in any other form of misfortune besides those listed?

Is his age (as opposed to simply being a child) relevant? if so, what is his age in years (LTPFLPI please)?
So he displayed reasoning and innovation on an almost-genius level on some occasion, which had both positive and negative consequences? were the positive consequences for him? someone else? multiple people?
Did he use reasoning and innovation to overcome a problem? or something he perceived as a problem? a restriction imposed by an authority figure? to prevail in a conflict? or a contest? to obtain something?
Any other people relevant? his parents? siblings? other relatives? teachers? other authority figures? other adults? his friends? classmates? other children?
Relevant where this event occurred? at his home? someone else's home? his school? another public place? indoors? outdoors?
Was the misfortune/risk caused by the display of reasoning and innovation? (e.g. it made him a target for bullying)
Or by the manner in which he used reasoning and innovation? (e.g. he innovatively used a dangerous tool)
Or was it caused by whatever he used reasoning and innovation to achieve? (e.g. he constructed a dangerous object)
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby TDGperson » Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:14 am

Are the two events the same?
Impressive for a child his age? Would it be impressive if an adult did it? Is it possible for adults to do this?
Unfortunate but fortunate for another person: Is this other person his parent/guardian? teacher? classmate? complete stranger?
Did he solve a math problem? Beat someone in a game? solve a similar kind of puzzle with well-defined rules (such as sudoku)? Solve a more open-ended kind of puzzle (such as a detective novel)? Escape a bad situation? Find a solution to something? Invent or discover something? Trick someone?
The very remotely possibility of injury : would it be caused by another person? himself? a sharp object? a blunt object? any kind of object? something falling on top of him?
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby klondike mary » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:46 pm

I foolishly neglected to ask: did it result in any other form of misfortune besides those listed?No misfortune at all. I agree, you can't take that for granted!

Is his age (as opposed to simply being a child) relevant? Yes.if so, what is his age in years (LTPFLPI please)? 1 1/2 or 18 months approx.
So he displayed reasoning and innovation on an almost-genius level on some occasion, which had both positive and negative consequences? were the positive consequences for him? Yes.someone else? multiple people?
Did he use reasoning and innovation to overcome a problem? or something he perceived as a problem?this a restriction imposed by an authority figure? to prevail in a conflict? or a contest? to obtain something?
Any other people relevant? his parents?yes. siblings? may have been present but not really relevant.other relatives? teachers? other authority figures? other adults? his friends? classmates? other children?
Relevant where this event occurred? at his home?this someone else's home? his school? another public place? indoors? this outdoors?
Was the misfortune/risk caused by the display of reasoning and innovation? (e.g. it made him a target for bullying) not this, and not a serious misfortune in this case.
Or by the manner in which he used reasoning and innovation? (e.g. he innovatively used a dangerous tool)
Or was it caused by whatever he used reasoning and innovation to achieve? (e.g. he constructed a dangerous object) What he did could have caused him to be in danger.
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby klondike mary » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:53 pm

Are the two events the same? There is just one event.
Impressive for a child his age? Yes.Would it be impressive if an adult did it? No.Is it possible for adults to do this?Quite.
Unfortunate but fortunate for another person: Is this other person his parent/guardian? These. Probably a mixture of fortunate/unfortunate to all parties.teacher? classmate? complete stranger?
Did he solve a math problem? Beat someone in a game? solve a similar kind of puzzle with well-defined rules (such as sudoku)? Solve a more open-ended kind of puzzle (such as a detective novel)? Escape a bad situation? Find a solution to something?This is closest. Invent or discover something? Trick someone?
The very remotely possibility of injury : would it be caused by another person?possibly himselfat least partly.? a sharp object? a blunt object? any kind of object? something falling on top of him?
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby wunderland » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:25 pm

Did he do something his parents wouldn't have wanted him to do? Tried to prevent him from doing? Didn't try because they thought he would be unable to do it anyway?
Did he relevantly go somewhere? Get possession of an object? Eat something? Drink something? Otherwise put something in his mouth? Damage or destroy something? Open something? Climb something?
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby klondike mary » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:25 pm

Did he do something his parents wouldn't have wanted him to do? Tried to prevent him from doing? Would have tried to prevent him from doing, not because it was dangerous in itself,but could have led to a dangerous situation.Didn't try because they thought he would be unable to do it anyway?This is close, as it was unusual for a child so young to be able to do this.
Did he relevantly go somewhere? Get possession of an object? Eat something? Drink something? Otherwise put something in his mouth? Damage or destroy something? Open something? This. Climb something? partly this as well. All others, no or n.r.
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:51 am

Did he open a container of some kind? A door? A window? Did he unlock something? Is the "unfortunate" part simply the fact that their child is capable of getting himself into more mischief than they thought?
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Re: [klondike mary] 80/20

Postby klondike mary » Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:35 am

Did he open a container of some kind? A door? This A window? Did he unlock something? Yes Is the "unfortunate" part simply the fact that their child is capable of getting himself into more mischief than they thought? Absolutely!
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*******************SPOILER**********************
When our youngest was about 18 months old, he had figured out by observation and reasoning, how to get out of our front door. You had to take off the chain latch, then turn the knob while holding down the dead-lock. Being small, he had to pull a chair up and stand on it to do this. He was smart enough to figure all that out, but not smart enough not to do it in front of witnesses, especially adult witnesses. Good thing he did, though, because we then knew we had to watch him even more closely.

The title? There seems to be a rule of 80 & 20 here. 80% of the family stories seem to be about 20% of the family!

The kid in question has grown up to be a software developer, so he is still pretty smart, and a whole lot more shrewd.
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