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trebor wrote:Loses her as in she dies? yes As in one of them (him? her?) gets lost? no
Assuming death, is she cremated? yes Does he physically spend time with her corpse? no Ashes? yes Does he find a way to prolong her life? no To interact with a digital version of her? no To reanimate her? no
Earnest wrote:Were the ashes in his home? Yope, possible FA Diffused somewhere? no Did he spend money to be with her? yes Did he spend time with her many time after she died? If you mean 'any' time, yes Soon after? Well, fairly soon, but there was a gap first
Spend time with ashes = he found the ashes? Same FA He celebrated a funeral? yes, a cremation Did he know how his wife died? old age Where she died? irrel, assume home or hospital
Did he need to travel to spend time with her? no Did he need to ask a special permission? no To go to a specific place? no Relevant that he was old? Yes, explore Did he know the way to spend time with her before becoming old? They spent lots of time with each other from their marriage until her death... is that what you mean? Had he ever tried? Had he ever tried to do what? Relevant?
Earnest wrote:Did he know the way to spend time with her before becoming old? --> no i meant if he knew a way to spend time with the ashes same FA before becoming old He got the idea for how to spend time with her shortly after she died (I assumed the woman died many time before) No, they were both very old and she died recently.
He spend time with her ashes right? Same FA Is the FA the fact that he was not home? No, and in fact he WAS home when he spent the time with her That they brought him the ashes? Assume they gave him her ashes a few days after the cremation - I think that's standard
Was him present next to her till she died? Probably but irrel Did he need to spend money to stay with her in order to: pay the cremation? BUWT, and assume the cost of the cremation is irrelevant
Finite amount of time in the statement = more than an hour? yes More than a month? It could be... depending... explore Relevant that is a finite amount of time? yes Because he died right after? no Did he die sooner after having spend time with her? no
Earnest wrote: he finds a way to be with her --> when she was alive? They did spend their married life together, and this is relevant... but the 'way to be with her' is after her death. Soon after she died? a little while after, perhaps a few weeks, but exact time irrel. Before she has been cremated? no, after
Spend time with her = interacting with her? yesish, he thinks so anyway Talkong with her? no but OTRT, explore Crying on her death body? no Did he delay the cremation? no Was him in a prison (strange question)? no
Did she want to be cremated? assume yes, and cremation is relevant Did he want her to be cremated? assume yes Did he want to see her for the last time? SVV of 'see', and 'times' would be more accurate Is the old man profession relevant? Was he retired? relevant his past job? (E.g. he was a veteran)
Relevant his religion? Her religion? Was it the same? Irrel to all these
Is being old an advantage for him? no, but age/time is relevant Did he live alone? after her death, yes Relevant? yes Was he ill? no Was he going to die? irrel Was he older than she was when she died? Younger? Relevant? Relevant how much older/younger? all irrel, assume they were about the same age
Did he exploit his old age as: sign of respect? To induce piety/compassion on others? To exploit his right to do something (e.g. have some drugs...)? To make a point (e.g. "I will die soon")? To exploit the argunent that he will die soon? no to all, BUWT
Is the choice of grave relevant? there is no grave, and this is relevant Did he want to be cremated as well? irrel To stay with her in the grave? no
Is the fact that the amount of time spend with her (assuming her death body) It's not her actual body, she's been cremated, remember is finite mainly due to: natural reasons? Hygenic reasons? Helth care? The causes of her death? His will? Her will (to be cremated after death)? Circumstances? This is the crux of the puzzle The will of someone else (people of an hospital/funeral homes/mortuaries...)? no to everything else
GalFisk wrote:Are her ashes relevant? Yes Does he spend time with her ashes? noish Is the finite amount of time determined by: her? no Him? partly Some other human? no Does he use her ashes for something? yes Such as fertilizing a garden? no
Earnest wrote:Is something metaphysical relevant? Mediums? no
Were the ashes in a box? Irrel Did he diffuse them in his house? No Did he change them with others? no Did he open the box? irrel Did he interact with ashes all the time he was with them? Same FA, but good question - his interaction would not have been constant Had someone come to visit him, would he have interacted with ashes? Would the visitor? If so because he would have "lead" him/her to interact with the ashes? Would the visitor pander to the old man? Any visitors irrel Alzeimer or other mental diseases relevant? no
Ok creepy question...did he smoke? irrel Did he exploit ashes somehow? what do you mean by ‘exploit’?
Interaction = kissing? Touching? Sleeping? no to these Making an every day action with her? this, although possibly not every day, because... Plants relevant? no
Did the interaction stop because: he was discovered? no Something illegal went on? no The ashes was over? Something was over He stopped the interaction voluntarily? no
GalFisk wrote:In the process, were the ashes changed somehow? YES If so: dispersed? Diluted? Consumed? This is closest Contaminated? Lost? Did he stop because he ran out of ash? He ran out of something, laterally speaking
Earnest wrote:Is tea relevant? Coffee? Perfumes? Ointments? No to all (Veeeery creepy) Lol, and no mummification either! to be sure: can we assume that the ashes were the ones of the woman and he was sure of that? yes Is Easter relevant? no
Did he interact with ashes all the time he was with them? Same FA --> did someone else interact with the ashes? It's 'changed' ashes, per Galfisk's latest post above, and no, he alone interacted Is the interaction directly with ashes? no is the FA the fact that he did not interact directly with ashes? yes, so FA cleared That he was not physically with them? he was with them, but as established now, not the actual ashes The fact that he could not stay with them all the time? The fact that he only had a finite period of time is relevant, because...
Was the "every day action" not done every day because -> he was old? no, that's not the reason Could anyone else do the action every day had he/she wanted to? In theory, yes, but the only people relevant to this puzzle are the man and his wife. Is the action related to: food? Drink? Washing? Health care? Perfumes? Pills? none of these
Earnest wrote:Hair color relevant? no Did he mix ashes with other substances? no
Earnest wrote:Hourglasses relevant? no
Did he run out of something and hence used the ashes? no Or the other way round (he run out of ashes because he was doing something)? no, there was plenty of ashes but that wasn't the issue
Consumed = the changed ashes? The 'changed ashes' - whatever that was - would be finite and therefore would get consumed at some point The real ones? Possible FA - the ashes were genuinely those of his wife Did he know that the ashes were changed? yes
Consumed = burned? Eaten (by a human? An animal? A plant?)? Digested? Fireworks relevant? Weapons? no to all
Were the ashes changed by someone relevant? there was a 3rd party who did the 'changing'
The fact that he only had a finite period of time is relevant, because... --> did the amount of time coincide with a specific part of the year? no A specific time that was relevant for him? no A cure time? no and BUWT Woud a change happen after the finite amount? not as such, but there would be nothing remaining after that To the man directly? only in as much as he would be extremely sad/bereft after it finished To his life? he would feel that his life was completely empty at that point To his house? Would he have to move? no
Is the every day action typical of old men? no Does it involve: watching TV? this is closest Reading book? Cleaning? Clothing? Relaxing? Sleeping? Snorling? Eating? Going to bathroom? no to all
Are the changed ashes the ashes of someone else? no The ashes of the wife yes but replaced with a new element OTRT (e.g. a liquid...)? no General ashes of no one in particular? no, the ashes were indeed his wife's
trebor wrote:Sorry, what does BUWT stand for? Barking Up Wrong Tree
Were the ashes made into jewelry? No but very much OTRT Were hey incorporated into something he already owned? Yes Is a hobby of his or his wife’s relevant? Yes Pets relevant? No
Earnest wrote:Minerals relevant? yes Did the old man need to buy an object/something in order to stay with his wife? He thought so, at least for SVV of 'stay' Is the finiteness of time due to the fact that ashes would have been replaced? no Is this a natural process? Is what a natural process? Is this a process due to the object in which the ashes found themselves? I don't understand what you mean by this.
Earnest wrote:Recap: ashes = the one of the woman, but were changed at a certain relevant point right? Yes, they were "changed" during a relevant time period
And the man thought they were the woman's ones? He KNEW they were the woman's ones.
Mineral = calcium carbonate? Wood ash? A valuable mineral? yes Graphite? Pencils?
charcoal pencil? Painting/drawing relevant? .....again it's creepy but I am thinking of a picture (a portrait?) drawn with a pencil/tool made through the woman's ashes... none of these
Is the mineral commonly used? It has lots of uses If so used in technological tools? yes In appliances? yes In every day objects? yes In electronics? yes Or maybe it is more commonly collected? yes collectionism relevant? what do you mean by "collectionism"?
Does the consumption of the ash happen in minutes? Weeks? Hours? Days? Assuming you mean the consumption of the "changed ashes," it could be anywhere from 500 to 1000 hours, though once you got past 500 you would be on "borrowed time," so to speak. Does the consumptioj derive from the usage/exploitation of a certain tool? yes Does the consumption implies the appearence of the ashes in another form somewhere else? Or do the ashes completely disappear after having been consumed? I don't know what you mean, can you reword?
Relevant the amount consumed each fraction of time (e.g. if they are consumed in weeks, relevant the daily consumption of the ashes?)? Yes, it's up to the old man. He could choose to use it for an hour a day, 10 hours a day, none on some days, whatever he likes. If so, does the amount consumed vary with respect to something? To the time that the old man make an action? yes Watch a monitor? Listen to radio? OTRT Use a certain object? yes
A derivative of ash? yes Is "human ash" relevantly different from "wood ash"? yes If so are chemical components relevant? yes Do they increase the value? yes
Earnest wrote:Electronical devices = remote controller? Medical device? Phone? iPod? no to these Music relevant? Yes LP? Yes Juke boxes?stereo? Stereo record player Is iron relevant? no Batteries relevant? no
Are ashes used in electronics in form of dust? Liquid? Are used as "fuel"? Conductor? no to all
Device producing lights relevant? Noises? Radio waves? Radar? Rec? Films? no to all
Earnest wrote:Is music heared by the old man through an LP? yesA stereo record player? yes If so, is ash exploited in the engines of such devices? no
Ok strange question...are ashes used in the LP ( I mean in the vynil)? In a CD?...ok I'll explain: I know that basically when a LP is played the music is produced because there are sort of very small lumos and bumps on the vynil...the idea is that you can somehow put the ash to create such bumps and lumps...the problem is that I don't know how you can fix it to the LP in case...you have to have a direct interaction with ash... no to all, BUWT
Earnest wrote:Did the old man do something else relevant while listening to music? no Is the indirect interaction with the ashes through the music heared? yes Through the devices (LP and stereo)? yes Does he dance? irrel Just listen the music and enjoy it? yes
Earnest wrote:Are CDs relevant? no Is the ash physically somewhere in the electronical device? Yes, the “changed ash” is. E.g. the electrons? A part of the ash? Fossil ash? Is the color black relevant? Is consumption of ash due to usage? the consumption of something is due to usage
Earnest wrote:Is the changed ash : a liquid? A gas? A solid? this Film? Plastic? Energy? Electricity? Sound wave? this is relevantDust? The residual of the consumption of something? yes Is heat relevant? not sure
Is the changed ash touched by the man when activating the device? yesish Is the changed ash compressed? very much so Does it constitute a relevant part of the device? very much so Is it present also when no CD is put in the LP? yes, although not CD's
Is the ash physically somewhere in the electronical device? Yes, the “changed ash” is. --> can I invoke the list of components? the needle of the record player![]()
Relevant the kind of music coming from the LP? yes Can we assume random music? no Music played by someone relevant? Yes, assume their favourite singer
Had the changed ash of the woman not been present would it have been used wood ash instead? no, this would have been pointless