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[IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:38 pm

One night, Arnav makes a quick decision that saves someone else's life. Years later, that decision saves the person again, which Arnav never hears about. He also never knows that, years after that, the decision lands that same person a great job.

What did he decide?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Zanreo » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:14 am

Did he know this person? Did the decision directly save their life? Or indirectly? "Save someone's life" - literally prevented their death? Did he do something? Say something? Are more people than this one person affected? Was the person saved in the same way/from the same thing both times?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:19 am

Is organ or blood donation relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:42 pm

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Did he know this person? No...tiny ish. Did the decision directly save their life? In the first instance, yes. Or indirectly? For the second part, yesish. "Save someone's life" - literally prevented their death? Yes. Did he do something? Yes. Say something? Possibly--he either did something or directed someone else to, irr. which. Are more people than this one person affected? Probably, but irr. Was the person saved in the same way/from the same thing both times? No, good q.


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Is organ or blood donation relevant? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:47 am

To be sure...the decision he takes saved the same person both times right (I mean not for instance the father of the person the first time and hence the person the second time)? Person was born when he was saved the first time? Was a HCF/HCM? Years later did Arnov relevantly die? Was A the father of the person without knowing it? Was him related with the person? Is religion relevant?

Relevant that he took the decision during night? Was the decision "quick" in the sense that he was in a rush? In an emergency situation? Was him asked to take the decision? Is his profeddion relevant? Does Arnav occupy an important position (e.g. he decided not to send to war people aging 18 years old)? E.g. his decisions were laws?
Did he take similar decision also for other people? Did the decision changed A life too? Could A decide not to decide? In that case would the life of the person be saved? Was the decision taken binary (yes or no...)? If not, had he taken anpther decision different from thw one he took, woukd the person have the life saved?
Did his decision translate in action as soon as he made it? Was A working during night? Was he already awake? Was he awaken in order to make the decision?

Saved life in first instance = would the person have died immediately after A had taken another decision? Minutes/hours later? Days after? Years later? Would he have died by: ill? Disease? Murder? Natural catastrophy? His parents would have died? Weapon? Death penalty? War? Cold? Lack of food/beverages?

Did he took a decision for himself? At the moment when he made the decision, did he know that his decision could have saved a life? More lives? Did he sign a document? Did he escape? Did he hide something/someone? Did A saved his life too thanks to this decision? Did he write something relevant?

" the decision lands that same person a great job. " --> relevant which job? In entertainment? Food? Finance? Circus? History/museum? Technology? Others?
Did the person knew A? Knew that A saved his life? That he saved his life twice? Did the person exploit this info to land the job? Did the person deserved the job? For his/her knowledges? Are the person's origins relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:26 pm

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To be sure...the decision he takes saved the same person both times right (I mean not for instance the father of the person the first time and hence the person the second time)? Correct. Person was born when he was saved the first time? He was being born, yes! Was a HCF/HCM? HCM at that point. Years later did Arnov relevantly die? No. Was A the father of the person without knowing it? No. Was him related with the person? No. Is religion relevant? No.

Relevant that he took the decision during night? No. Was the decision "quick" in the sense that he was in a rush? In an emergency situation? This. Was him asked to take the decision? Not necessarily. Is his profeddion relevant? Yes. Does Arnav occupy an important position I would say so, but not like a political leader. (e.g. he decided not to send to war people aging 18 years old)? E.g. No, but OTRTish... his decisions were laws? No.

Did he take similar decision also for other people? Probably, but not relevantly. Did the decision changed A life too? No. Could A decide not to decide? Not really, that would be making a decision in this case. In that case would the life of the person be saved? No. Was the decision taken binary (yes or no...)? IRL there would probably be some complicating factors, but we can say yes for the puzzle. If not, had he taken anpther decision different from thw one he took, woukd the person have the life saved? There might have been other opportunities to save him, but irr.

Did his decision translate in action as soon as he made it? Yes. Was A working during night? Yes. Was he already awake? Yes. Was he awaken in order to make the decision? No.

Saved life in first instance = would the person have died immediately after A had taken another decision? Minutes/hours later? For the first instance, probably minutes to an hour. Days after? Years later? Would he have died by: ill? Thisish--natural causes. Disease? Murder? Natural catastrophy? His parents would have died? Possibly, one of them. Weapon? Death penalty? War? Cold? Lack of food/beverages?

Did he took a decision for himself? Not sure what you mean. At the moment when he made the decision, did he know that his decision could have saved a life? Yes. More lives? Possibly. Did he sign a document? Did he escape? Did he hide something/someone? No to rest. Did A saved his life too thanks to this decision? You mean did Arnav save himself? No. Did he write something relevant? No.

" the decision lands that same person a great job. " --> relevant which job? No. In entertainment? Food? Finance? Circus? History/museum? Technology? Others? Assume some office/business job.
Did the person knew A? No. Knew that A saved his life? Probably, irr. That he saved his life twice? Irr, and very slight FA. Did the person exploit this info to land the job? No...small ish. Did the person deserved the job? For his/her knowledges? Irr. Are the person's origins relevant? Somewhat.
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:09 pm

Emergency situatiom = venom? Chemical leak? Gas leak? vaccinations? Hygene? epidemy? People dying? Imminent catastrophy? Safety procedures to be applied? Are airplanes relevant? Water and sea catastrophies? Is choosing people relevant? An hospital burned and he needed to decide who to save? Are nazi relevant? Slavery? Boats (a sinking ship full of poor people/slaves)? Did his necessity to make a decision emerged from the limited capabilities to transport people? To save people? To have enough time? I mean...when someone takes a decision usually sacrifices something to maximize a result given some constraint, right? Hence my question is about a) the constraints --> physical constraints (limited amount of time, limited means, poor technology, not enough space, too many people to save, not having found a cure...); b) what he sacrificed --> other lives? Valuable goods? A building? c) what he gained --> life of people? Life of certain kind of people (children, pregnant women, strong man...)? Others? Did A give free access to medicines? Does A work in health care? Did A work in the same field in which the person landed later?

Can A decision be classified as a negative decision (e.g. he just saved 2 lives out of 1000 people) or a good one?
Did A decision saved his life a second time based on the first emergency experience? (E.g. the first time A took a wrong decision and thanks to that experience a better decision that saved the life of the person was taken later on)?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:31 pm

Is Arnav's name relevant? Is he a Dr? Surgeon? Suicide involved? Accident? Illness? Misadventure? Drugs? Was the birth a difficult one? Surgical delivery? Relevant in what way... Was there a birth defect or a medical difficulty? Location relevant, eg baby was born in a car? Is Arnav the father/otherwise related to him? Did anyone else die, eg the mother? Was the mother's life at risk? Was there a gender or sex issue, e.g. XYY syndrome? Another deformity? Was his decision to do a certain action, or to abstain from doing an action?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:05 am

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Emergency situatiom = venom? Chemical leak? Gas leak? vaccinations? Hygene? epidemy? People dying? Noish. Imminent catastrophy? Safety procedures to be applied? Are airplanes relevant? Water and sea catastrophies? No to rest. Is choosing people relevant? No. An hospital burned and he needed to decide who to save? Are nazi relevant? Slavery? Boats (a sinking ship full of poor people/slaves)? Did his necessity to make a decision emerged from the limited capabilities to transport people? To save people? No to these. To have enough time? Yope.

I mean...when someone takes a decision usually sacrifices something to maximize a result given some constraint, right? I would call this more of a risk assessment. Hence my question is about a) the constraints --> physical constraints (limited amount of time, limited means, poor technology, not enough space, too many people to save, not having found a cure...); Time constraint is closest. b) what he sacrificed --> other lives? Valuable goods? A building? Nothing really. c) what he gained --> life of people? Yes. Life of certain kind of people (children, pregnant women, Yesish... strong man...)? Others? Did A give free access to medicines? No. Does A work in health care? Yes! Did A work in the same field in which the person landed later? Actually, irr.

Can A decision be classified as a negative decision (e.g. he just saved 2 lives out of 1000 people) or a good one? Good one.
Did A decision saved his life a second time based on the first emergency experience? (E.g. the first time A took a wrong decision and thanks to that experience a better decision that saved the life of the person was taken later on)? Not in this way.


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Is Arnav's name relevant? Yes. Is he a Dr? Surgeon? Yes!
Suicide involved? Accident? Illness? Misadventure? Drugs? No to these.
Was the birth a difficult one? Surgical delivery? Yes indeed. Relevant in what way... Was there a birth defect or a medical difficulty? A difficult birthing process, yes. Exact issue irr. Location relevant, eg baby was born in a car? No, assume a hospital. Is Arnav the father/otherwise related to him? No. Did anyone else die, eg the mother? No. Was the mother's life at risk? Possibly, irr. Was there a gender or sex issue, e.g. XYY syndrome? No. Another deformity? No. Was his decision to do a certain action, or to abstain from doing an action? To do an action.

Great questions everyone!
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby trebor » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:20 am

Was the decision: to perform a C-section? To separate conjoined twins? Did the mother survive the birth? Did the decision result in discovering a relevant issue (disease, deformity, etc.?) with the baby?

Can we call the baby Boris? The second time Boris would’ve died, would he have died because of something genetic? Would Boris have not found himself in a certai situation that would’ve killed him had he not had the odd birth? Was Boris actually in danger the second time? Would he have been had his birth been natural? If he was, was he aware of it at the time? Or later? Would he have been murdered?

Is him getting the job kind of a fluke? A lucky occurrence? Was he competing for it with anyone? Did he have some advantage over his competitors? Is nepotism involved? Had he gained some fame beforehand?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:40 am

So the decision saved both the mother of the person and the person right? Did A decide to amputate an arm/leg of the baby? (E.g. it saved his life later on because being handicapped maybe he was not send to war and later on to discover a way to replace amputated arms/legs with bionic ones). Did A's decision have permanent causes on the baby? Did A take the decision before the baby actually born or once he was born outside of the mother belly? I mean, did he need to look at the baby to take the decision? Did the baby present something uncommon (e.g. 2 hearts? A bigger head?...) ? Or maybe the baby ended up having something uncommon due to the decision taken by the surgeon (e.g. he ended up having 12 fingers in total which allowed him to type writing on keyboard mich more rapidly than others) ?

Secobd time: did he save himself in an emergency situation? By preventing something to happen? By avoiding something to happen? Did B risk to die for a disease? A natural catastrophy? War? To be killed by someone? To be chosen for something dangerous? To lose balance (e.g. being one armed he did not lose balance)? To fall?

Did the person land a good job because it was incredible what he was able to do in his conditions? Because he had the opportunity to focus more on studying/preparing for a good job? Because the company looked at someone with his charachteristics? The company appreciated his capacities? Because he became famous before?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:20 pm

Is the name Arnav an acronym, an anagram, an actual name (perhaps a foreign one), a reference to something? I'm assuming the surgical delivery is a caesarian? So his decision was to actually perform the surgical delivery rather than allow the mother to give birth in the normal way?

So the person Arnav saves is: the mother? the child? Is it a single child? Boy or girl? Relevant?

The decision saves the person again - literally, or figuratively? Does the surgical birth, or its aftermath, or an associated something, affect the baby later in life apart from the fact the person is alive? Can we have a name for this person for ease of reference?

The action = performing the surgical birth? Something else/additional?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:57 pm

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Was the decision: to perform a C-section? Yes. To separate conjoined twins? No. Did the mother survive the birth? Yes. Did the decision result in discovering a relevant issue (disease, deformity, etc.?) with the baby? No.

Can we call the baby Boris? That's...a good question. You can, but be careful.
The second time Boris would’ve died, would he have died because of something genetic? No, slight FA. Would Boris have not found himself in a certai situation that would’ve killed him had he not had the odd birth? Yesish. Was Boris actually in danger the second time? Yope. Would he have been had his birth been natural? Definitely. If he was, was he aware of it at the time? To the extent that he was in danger, he was aware. Or later? Would he have been murdered? Noish.

Is him getting the job kind of a fluke? A lucky occurrence? I'd say yes. Was he competing for it with anyone? Yes. Did he have some advantage over his competitors? YES. Is nepotism involved? No. Had he gained some fame beforehand? No.


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So the decision saved both the mother of the person and the person right? Yes. Did A decide to amputate an arm/leg of the baby? (E.g. it saved his life later on because being handicapped maybe he was not send to war and later on to discover a way to replace amputated arms/legs with bionic ones). No, but one part of your e.g. is very OTRT. Did A's decision have permanent causes on the baby? In a sense. Did A take the decision before the baby actually born or once he was born outside of the mother belly? Right before. I mean, did he need to look at the baby to take the decision? No. Did the baby present something uncommon (e.g. 2 hearts? A bigger head?...) ? No, not a Timelord. =)
Or maybe the baby ended up having something uncommon due to the decision taken by the surgeon (e.g. he ended up having 12 fingers in total which allowed him to type writing on keyboard mich more rapidly than others) ? Not something uncommon, no.

Secobd time: did he save himself in an emergency situation? No. By preventing something to happen? Arnav's decision prevented something, yes. By avoiding something to happen? Did B risk to die for a disease? A natural catastrophy? War? This. To be killed by someone? Quite possibly. To be chosen for something dangerous? And this. To lose balance (e.g. being one armed he did not lose balance)? To fall? No to rest.

Did the person land a good job because it was incredible what he was able to do in his conditions? No. Because he had the opportunity to focus more on studying/preparing for a good job? No. Because the company looked at someone with his charachteristics? Yesish. The company appreciated his capacities? No. Because he became famous before? No.


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Is the name Arnav an acronym, an anagram, an actual name (perhaps a foreign one) This. , a reference to something? I'm assuming the surgical delivery is a caesarian? Yes. So his decision was to actually perform the surgical delivery rather than allow the mother to give birth in the normal way? Correct.

So the person Arnav saves is: the mother? the child? This. Is it a single child? Yes. Boy or girl? Boy. Relevant? Somewhat.

The decision saves the person again - literally, or figuratively? I'll say literally, but there's an FA lurking. Does the surgical birth, or its aftermath, or an associated something, affect the baby later in life apart from the fact the person is alive? Yes. Can we have a name for this person for ease of reference? Yes...but...

The action = performing the surgical birth? This. Something else/additional? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby trebor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:16 am

I’m trying to figure out why to be careful in calling the baby Boris. Because the name implies a gender? Nationality? Because the baby actually went unnamed? Was B taken from his mother at birth? Was B transgender? Would it be incorrect to call them “him”?

Did B wind up serving in the military? Performing a service for the military? Did the c-section alter his upbringing? In such a way that he was raised as part of a culture which he wouldn’t otherwise have been? (Like the ‘60s Scoop or residential schools in Canada, or something similar?) Was he able to speak the Navajo language? Relevant which war he didn’t die in, if that makes sense? WWl? WWll? US Civil War? Cold War? War of 1812? Korean War? Vietnam? Franco-Prussian War? A war taking place primarily in Asia?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:57 am

Was the name of the boy a famous one? A strange one? An evocative name? Was his name used later on? Was he named after the doctor that saved him? After the event the saved that saved his life? Relevant who was his father? Did he abandon the mother? Was it known eho the father was? Someone important? Relevant who gave him the name? Arnov? Relevant that with a C section the due date can be arranged previously? Was the mother fine with the decision of the doctor to make a C section?Relevant that C sections are not allowed by some religion? Was the baby born in war times?

Can we assume that the baby was born healthy and as a normal baby?

Arnav's decision prevented a war to happen (e.g. the baby was the son of a king who was able to negotiate the peace through the child)? Is the baby relevantly a boy? Had he bern HCF would the puzzle still work? The baby prevented a war to happen? Or simply the grown up baby was not chosen to go the war? If so, due to the C section? Maybe he was not killed as a civilian in a war? If so, thanks to his name? Thanks to a relevant charachteristic? Ratial discrimination relevant?

Was it the first time that a C section was made? Any scarf relevant?

Did he land a good job thanks to his name? Thanks to a physical advantage he had? To a psycological charachteristic? Did he know something relevant that the others do not know? Was he more prepared than others? Was he known? Did he overcome a test? A speech? An exam? Did he and the competitors simply present the CV? If not, can we assume he would have landed the job winning over the others just by presenting the CV? Did he land the job as a consequence of the second time that his life was saved? Or maybe the relevant advantage noth prevented him to go to war and to land a job? Did he wear glasses relevantly?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:25 am

Sperm donation relevant? Other sex characteristics of a man? Gender? Gender reassignment? Does it matter which country/region Arnav came from? Ditto the baby? Does the baby have a disability? Are we done with the mother now? (apols if I've already asked these).
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:33 pm

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I’m trying to figure out why to be careful in calling the baby Boris. Because the name implies a gender? Nationality? It does, but this is not the reason for my warning. Because the baby actually went unnamed? No--answers to Earnest should clarify.
Was B taken from his mother at birth? No. Was B transgender? No/irr. Would it be incorrect to call them “him”? No.

Did B wind up serving in the military? No. Performing a service for the military? No. Did the c-section alter his upbringing? Not exactly. In such a way that he was raised as part of a culture which he wouldn’t otherwise have been? (Like the ‘60s Scoop or residential schools in Canada, or something similar?) No. Was he able to speak the Navajo language? No/irr. Relevant which war he didn’t die in, if that makes sense? Yes. WWl? WWll? US Civil War? Cold War? War of 1812? Korean War? Vietnam? This, good q. Franco-Prussian War? A war taking place primarily in Asia? So yes.

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Was the name of the boy a famous one? No. A strange one? Yesish. An evocative name? Depends on what you mean. Was his name used later on? He used his name, yes. Was he named after the doctor that saved him? YES, great q.
After the event the saved that saved his life? Relevant who was his father? Did he abandon the mother? Was it known eho the father was? Someone important? Relevant who gave him the name? No,irr to all. Arnov? Arnav did not name him. Relevant that with a C section the due date can be arranged previously? YES. Was the mother fine with the decision of the doctor to make a C section?Relevant that C sections are not allowed by some religion? Was the baby born in war times? Irr to rest.

Can we assume that the baby was born healthy and as a normal baby? Yes.

Arnav's decision prevented a war to happen (e.g. the baby was the son of a king who was able to negotiate the peace through the child)? No. Is the baby relevantly a boy? Yes. Had he bern HCF would the puzzle still work? No. The baby prevented a war to happen? No. Or simply the grown up baby was not chosen to go the war? Yes. If so, due to the C section? YES. Maybe he was not killed as a civilian in a war? If so, thanks to his name? Thanks to a relevant charachteristic? Ratial discrimination relevant? No to rest.

Was it the first time that a C section was made? No. Any scarf relevant? No, but I'm interested what you were thinking.

Did he land a good job thanks to his name? Yes.
Thanks to a physical advantage he had? To a psycological charachteristic? Did he know something relevant that the others do not know? Was he more prepared than others? Was he known? Did he overcome a test? A speech? An exam? No to rest (but assume he was well qualified for the job).
Did he and the competitors simply present the CV? Yes. If not, can we assume he would have landed the job winning over the others just by presenting the CV? Did he land the job as a consequence of the second time that his life was saved? No. Or maybe the relevant advantage noth prevented him to go to war and to land a job? No. Did he wear glasses relevantly? No.


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Sperm donation relevant? No. Other sex characteristics of a man? Gender? Only that the child is male. Gender reassignment? No. Does it matter which country/region Arnav came from? Not specifically, but his background is relevant-ish. Ditto the baby? Same relevant-ish. Does the baby have a disability? Irr. Are we done with the mother now? (apols if I've already asked these). Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:59 am

Was thr doctor aware that the baby had been called with his name? Relevant?

Call to arms relevant? If so from a relevant date on? If so was the date detailed at the level of the month? Day? E.g. all people born until April 1916 are called to war...and maybe he was born may of that year. Or even better he born the 1st of january of the year next to the call?...to be sure he did not take part to the war durectly (he did not go to Vietnam) right?

Concerning the job...was the name uncommon? Related to a certain category of people? Nobiliar? Ambiguos? (E.g. it could be relevantly exchanged with the name of the doctor?) Would his name have appeared in public? Relevant? Was his name recognized by the human resources? If so did they know that it belonged to him specifically? Or it would have worked also with someone else having the same name? Is alphabetical order relevant? (E.g. CVs were scanned in alphabetical order and his name resulted one of the first in the list?) Were more people employed with him? Just him? Relevant?

assume he was well qualified for the job --> were the comoetitors qualified as well as he was but had not his name and hence were discarded?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:28 pm

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Was thr doctor aware that the baby had been called with his name? Relevant? Irr.

Call to arms relevant? A draft, yes. If so from a relevant date on? Yope. If so was the date detailed at the level of the month? Day? This. E.g. all people born until April 1916 are called to war...and maybe he was born may of that year. Or even better he born the 1st of january of the year next to the call? Close enough, but actually it was even more specific than that!...to be sure he did not take part to the war durectly (he did not go to Vietnam) right? Right.

Concerning the job...was the name uncommon? Yes. Related to a certain category of people? Yesish. Nobiliar? Not sure what you mean. Ambiguos? (E.g. it could be relevantly exchanged with the name of the doctor?) Their identities are not mistaken, no. Would his name have appeared in public? Relevant? Irr.
Was his name recognized by the human resources? No. If so did they know that it belonged to him specifically? Or it would have worked also with someone else having the same name? It might have. Is alphabetical order relevant? (E.g. CVs were scanned in alphabetical order and his name resulted one of the first in the list?) No. Were more people employed with him? Just him? Relevant? Irr.

assume he was well qualified for the job --> were the comoetitors qualified as well as he was but had not his name and hence were discarded? In effect, yes.

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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:51 am

Was the name related to a certain religious category? Cultural category? Social category (e.g. upper class)? Could anyone make use of that name? Did having someone with that name give a relevant advantage/benefit to the firm (or at least...did the firm hope so?)? Maybe less taxes? Relevant financial supports? Maybe the firm could give him a relevant position exploiting his name that could have not be given to others having different names? The firm could make a relevant claim?

Is the name of the firm relevant? Who owned it?

Did the name influence the choice of the firm in that the name suggested relevant soft-skills of the hero? Was the firm alluded to deal with someone important? Is dress code relevant? (e.g. the firm has an elegant dress code and take into account manners; our hero has a name usually given to people belonging to upper class and hence the firm deduced that he would certainly have known how to behave properly) Had the firm already in mind a job position for the hero? Or maybe all were competing for a relevant position?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby trebor » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:10 pm

Is the younger Arnav selected for the job because his name is not a stereotypically Western one? Do the people hiring believe him to be Indian? Does his name help him because it’s near the beginning of the alphabet? And at the top of a resume pile?

Did the Vietnam draft work by selecting specific dates? And his birthdate wasn’t selected, but projected due date was? Or that he missed a cut-off date (ie, everyone born between x and y dates is drafted) because his delivery date was selected?
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play

Postby irishelk » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:18 pm

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Was the name related to a certain religious category? Cultural category? Thisish. Social category (e.g. upper class)? Could anyone make use of that name? Yes. Did having someone with that name give a relevant advantage/benefit to the firm (or at least...did the firm hope so?)? Probably.
Maybe less taxes? Relevant financial supports? Maybe the firm could give him a relevant position exploiting his name that could have not be given to others having different names? Possibly. The firm could make a relevant claim? Essentially, yes.

Is the name of the firm relevant? Who owned it? No.

Did the name influence the choice of the firm in that the name suggested relevant soft-skills of the hero? Was the firm alluded to deal with someone important? Is dress code relevant? (e.g. the firm has an elegant dress code and take into account manners; our hero has a name usually given to people belonging to upper class and hence the firm deduced that he would certainly have known how to behave properly) No to these. Had the firm already in mind a job position for the hero? Or maybe all were competing for a relevant position? Yes, he was in competition for one position.


trebor

Is the younger Arnav selected for the job because his name is not a stereotypically Western one? Yes. Do the people hiring believe him to be Indian? Yes! Does his name help him because it’s near the beginning of the alphabet? And at the top of a resume pile? No to rest.

Did the Vietnam draft work by selecting specific dates? And his birthdate wasn’t selected, but projected due date was? Correct! Or that he missed a cut-off date (ie, everyone born between x and y dates is drafted) because his delivery date was selected?

Nicely done, I think that put together you've got enough for a

*************************SPOILER

A doctor named Arnav is assisting with a difficult delivery late one night, and elects to do a C-section to get the baby out immediately. It turns out that letting the labor go on would have probably been fatal, so he saved the baby's life. In gratitude, the parents name the child after him.

This second Arnav grows up during the Vietnam war draft, a draft that was based on people's birthdays. His date does not come up, but the date after his does--even if he had survived the difficult birth, had it not been for the doctor's decision, he would have been born the next day and would have gone to war*.

Finally, Arnav submits his resume for a job, and the manager is focused on hiring a more diverse staff. Even though Arnav is white, his Indian-sounding name gets his resume to the top of the pile!


*This caused some of the "slight FA" answers, since the second time the doctor saved him may not have literally been saving his life, but saving him from a dangerous and unpleasant situation.
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play {NAMED}

Postby trebor » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:50 pm

Nice puzzle, irishelk. At the outset I expected the events to be much more directly related, but it was a good reminder of how much of our lives are determined by chance and tangential connections.
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play {NAMED}

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:17 pm

Ingenious!
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Re: [IrishElk] Three Act Play {NAMED}

Postby irishelk » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:08 am

Oh thank you!
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