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[WiZ] The riddle for to peer amid

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:01 pm

Divorce. Anonymity. A speeding ticket in Finland.

What is the connection?


Inspired by an AskReddit thread. Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:20 am

Is this something that actually happened? Did any of those things lead to the other/s and is the order relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:45 am

Relevant that speeding tickets in Finland are adjusted for income? Is income relevant to divorce? Money? Anonymity: on the web? In society? In a certain setting? Such as when voting?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:42 pm

InvisibleMImsy

Is this something that actually happened? yes Did any of those things lead to the other/s no and is the order relevant? no

GalFisk

Relevant that speeding tickets in Finland are adjusted for income? yes Is income relevant to divorce? Money? yes to both Anonymity: on the web? In society? yes to both In a certain setting? Such as when voting? no to both
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Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:04 am

Anonymity and divorce = in Finland as well? In general?

Focusing on divorce and anonimity: anonimity = not signing?cover the voice? Not publishing pictures? Make declarations in atrial without making evident the name and surname of the one making them? Filling questionaires/something anonimously? Making donations anonimously? Obtaining info/buying something anonimously? Privacy relevant?

Is a specific divorce relevant? Divorce in general? Divorce with children? Anonimous divorce (e.g. people who were formally married but not in practive? People not knowing each other and were married with combined marriages?...) normal divorces among common people? In anonimity involved in divorce? A certain aspect of anonimity? Not revealing name? Change of surname? Privacy? Rate of divorce (e.g. a questionaire been filled anonimously that revealed that many people would divorce to their partners)?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:02 pm

Anonymity and divorce = in Finland as well? no In general? yes

Focusing on divorce and anonimity: anonimity = not signing? cover the voice? noish to these Not publishing pictures? yesish Make declarations in atrial without making evident the name and surname of the one making them? Filling questionaires/something anonimously? Making donations anonimously? noish to these Obtaining info/buying something anonimously? yesish Privacy relevant? yes, above all

Is a specific divorce relevant? no Divorce in general? yes Divorce with children? Anonimous divorce (e.g. people who were formally married but not in practive? People not knowing each other and were married with combined marriages?...) normal divorces among common people? none of these are especially relevant In anonimity involved in divorce? no A certain aspect of anonimity? Not revealing name? Change of surname? Privacy? Rate of divorce (e.g. a questionaire been filled anonimously that revealed that many people would divorce to their partners)? n/a to all
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Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:25 am

To be sure...does transitivity hold? I mean...relationship goes from divorce to anonimity and from anonimity to speeding ticket in Finland. Does it mean also that there is a direct relationship divorce --> speeding ticket?

Is shared income when married relevant? If so does it make the difference in Finland when having to pay a speeding ticket? Are points on driving license relevant? Relevant, in a couple, who is fined for having broken speeding rules? Is anonimity relevant when paying fines? Insurance relevant? Being fined for more times relevant? Can people in Finland pay fines anonimously? (E.g. to pay less in insurance terms) Is anonimity here meant as "not accounting for the speeding fine when paying insurance"? Or maybe are pictures of speed camera relevant? Face of the driver? License plate? Others?


Anonimity on social media? On a particular social media? Phone calls in anonymous mode (e.g. hidden number)? Sentimental status on social media relevant? Official statistics on marriages?

Pictures = pictures on social media? Selfie? Pictures of animals? Of coiples? Other?
Anonimity = more money? A long lasting relationship with respect to someone else (e.g. people keep posting pictures in couple?)?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:09 am

Are gag orders relevent? Is the notion that being wealthy means you can afford to remain anonymous if you've done something wrong relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:22 pm

Collecting lottery winnings relevant? IIRC somewhere in the world you have to collect them in person, but you can come masked, so big winners disguise themselves thoroughly. Relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:16 pm

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To be sure...does transitivity hold? I mean...relationship goes from divorce to anonimity and from anonimity to speeding ticket in Finland. Does it mean also that there is a direct relationship divorce --> speeding ticket? no to all

Is shared income when married relevant? yes If so does it make the difference in Finland when having to pay a speeding ticket? no (I think) Are points on driving license relevant? no Relevant, in a couple, who is fined for having broken speeding rules? no Is anonimity relevant when paying fines? no Insurance relevant? no Being fined for more times relevant? no Can people in Finland pay fines anonimously? (E.g. to pay less in insurance terms) If so, it isn't relevant Is anonimity here meant as "not accounting for the speeding fine when paying insurance"? Or maybe are pictures of speed camera relevant? Face of the driver? License plate? Others? no, it is far broader than all that

Anonimity on social media? yes, among other things On a particular social media? Phone calls in anonymous mode (e.g. hidden number)? no to these Sentimental status on social media relevant? This is a factor, but not a huge one Official statistics on marriages? no

Pictures = pictures on social media? yes, among others Selfie? Pictures of animals? no to both Of coiples? yope Other? yes
Anonimity = more money? no A long lasting relationship with respect to someone else (e.g. people keep posting pictures in couple?)? this is a factor

Peter

Are gag orders relevent? they are potentially a factor Is the notion that being wealthy means you can afford to remain anonymous if you've done something wrong relevant? This kind of thinking is relevant, yes - but not your exact example

GalFisk

Collecting lottery winnings relevant? no IIRC somewhere in the world you have to collect them in person, but you can come masked, so big winners disguise themselves thoroughly. Relevant? no

Not sure if this hint is entirely kosher, but the solution I had in mind consists of about 10 words :)
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:56 am

So: relevant aspects of divorce which can be key to find the common aspect = separation? Trials? Custody? End of a marriage? Separation of income? (does it happen always? If so, relevant when such separation happens? At the end of the divorce trial? As soon as divorce is formalize? As soon as some signature is made? Others?) Therapies in order to avoid divorce relevant? Anonymous divorce relevant? (e.g. celebrities that divorce, when huge amount of money is in play, inheritance...e.g. a young lady divorcing from an old billionaire) Are causes of divorce relevant?

Anonymity in making charity? Donations? relevant? Is the relevant aspect of staying anonymous: income? Security? Safety? Using pseudo names? Pseudo profiles? Subsidiary bank accounts? name of the check holder? others?

Speeding tickets in Finland are connected with divorce? With anonymity? With income and thus, indirectly with divorce/income? Does a speeding ticket fined to a divorced person in Finland differ from a speeding ticket fined to a married person? Are speeding tickets proportional to: shared income of the couple? Income of the single person?
Can you stay anonymous when fined? Is being anonymous a right? Can police always ask for your income? Find it out? Can you refuse to tell? Relevant if you are foreigner? Can the passenger remain anonymous relevantly? Relevant if the re is a passenger? If the passenger is your wife/husband?

Is the common thing connected with: being wealthy? Being famous? Being rich? Proportionality to income? Access to information?

WAG --> celebrity?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:31 pm

Congratulations to Italy on holding the All Blacks off to a draw in the Rugby World Cup. I mean, sure, the game was cancelled due to a typhoon, but, still, a draw's a draw.

So: relevant aspects of divorce which can be key to find the common aspect = separation? Trials? Custody? End of a marriage? Separation of income? this, most relevantly (does it happen always? assume yes If so, relevant when such separation happens? no At the end of the divorce trial? As soon as divorce is formalize? As soon as some signature is made? Others?) Therapies in order to avoid divorce relevant? no Anonymous divorce relevant? no (e.g. celebrities that divorce, when huge amount of money is in play, inheritance...e.g. a young lady divorcing from an old billionaire) Are causes of divorce relevant? no

Anonymity in making charity? Donations? relevant? Is the relevant aspect of staying anonymous: income? yes, predominantly Security? yes Safety? yes, but less so Using pseudo names? Pseudo profiles? these aren't relevant Subsidiary bank accounts? yes name of the check holder? others? no to both

Speeding tickets in Finland are connected with divorce? With anonymity? no, apart from in accordance with the factor we're working out With income yes and thus, indirectly with divorce/income? yes, good Does a speeding ticket fined to a divorced person in Finland differ from a speeding ticket fined to a married person? I believe not Are speeding tickets proportional to: shared income of the couple? Income of the single person? They're proportional to income - that is all that is relevant
Can you stay anonymous when fined? yes, to an extent Is being anonymous a right? yes, under circumstances that usually are the same from person to person Can police always ask for your income? Find it out? Can you refuse to tell? irrelevant to all Relevant if you are foreigner? no Can the passenger remain anonymous relevantly? no Relevant if the re is a passenger? If the passenger is your wife/husband? no to both

Is the common thing connected with: being wealthy? yes Being famous? yes, although more indirectly Being rich? yes Proportionality to income? yes Access to information? no

WAG --> celebrity? no
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Postby vever » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:55 am

Does it have anything to do with withholding money from your ex-spouse? That the fine will make your income public somehow? Or the oposite?
Or is it a way to try to reduce the fine for speeding?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:20 pm

Does it have anything to do with withholding money from your ex-spouse? no That the fine will make your income public somehow? Or the oposite? no
Or is it a way to try to reduce the fine for speeding? no
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Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:29 pm

Relevant that income-based speeding tickets can cost you a ton of money if you're really rich? And of course divorce can cost you a lot of money too? Stuck on how anonymity can cost you money, though, other than collecting lottery winnings, which has been ruled out.
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:47 pm

Relevant that income-based speeding tickets can cost you a ton of money if you're really rich? yes And of course divorce can cost you a lot of money too? yes Stuck on how anonymity can cost you money, though this thinking is more relevant than any particular example , other than collecting lottery winnings, which has been ruled out.

So, we've established, rightly, that these 3 things are expensive if you're very rich. What, therefore, is the logic that connects them?
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Postby gregoryuconn » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:12 am

I thought the connection WAS that they're expensive if you're very rich. Assuming there's more....

Did all three happen to the same person? And then he went broke? Or became no-longer rich?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:29 am

I've given it a bit of thought, and I don't think we want to spend 20 posts going from 'x' to 'x and also the opposite for not x'. So:

***** SPOILER *****

All are expensive if you're rich, but not if you're poor


Speeding fines in Finland are tied to income. Divorce is expensive if one has assets to lose. Those with money tend to have higher profiles, greater connections and more accountabilities, thus making remaining anonymous expensive and difficult by comparison.

Congratulations to GregoryUConn on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing.
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle for to peer amid [A-NILE-ATED]

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:49 am

Congratulations to Italy on holding the All Blacks off to a draw in the Rugby World Cup. I mean, sure, the game was cancelled due to a typhoon, but, still, a draw's a draw --> many thanks...though watching All Blacks playing is always a joy.

By the way I have to point out that "All are expensive if you're rich, but not if you're poor" is not that much correct in the sense that all is proportional to what you have, therefore for a poor person also a small fine is expensive. I would reformulate (if allowed) in: all the 3 are proportional to your income :)
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle for to peer amid [A-NILE-ATED]

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:29 pm

I was thinking in absolute terms, but you're not wrong :).
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Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:31 pm

Sorry it's just professional deformation (does it make sense in english?)
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Re: [WiZ] The riddle for to peer amid [A-NILE-ATED]

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:32 pm

No, in English it sounds like you mutilate people for a living, which intrigues me :P
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Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:34 pm

Haahahahahahahahh ok in italian it's "deformazione professionale" which means that I am too much used to think in terms of how my job requires me to think. In my case in statistical and economics terms xD
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