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[WiZ] Congr-

Postby WiZ » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:34 am

Earlier this year, a man became entitled to be celebrated for a single second. How come?

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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby AlbatrossLover » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:38 am

Did the cause for celebration pass after a single second? Are other people celebrate for this same reason for longer periods of time?

Relevant that it happened earlier this year? Could a similar situation have happened before or since? Would the cause for celebration be something he did? Something he was? Is his age relevant? Being the 'youngest person in the world' or a similar title that constantly changes?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:45 am

COVID relevant?
Is it something like many men and women were celebrated (e.g. doctors of all over the world) with an applause or something similar, which would be equivalent to a second of celebration for each one of them? Something similar? Is the man the only one celebrated? Does he belong to a group of people?

celebrated = for something he made? For a special event? Birthday? Could anyone be celebrated the same way?
Relevant what the celebration consist of? Is it a sad celebration? A joyful celebration? Applauses? minute of silence?

Relevant by how many people is he celebrated? By a nation? by all people in the world? by a group of more than 10 people?
Is the man celebrated only this year? Is the man. famous? Sport man? Politician? Singer? Other?

became entitled to be celebrated = he could decide to be celebrated for a second? Maybe his name was cited in a movie? Or maybe his name appeared in TV? Or in a song? Is a second a lot of time compared to the way he is celebrated (e.g. a second in a song is a lot)?
Earlier this year = relevant precisely when?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:39 pm

Sports relevant? Did he break a record? That was afterwards broken?

By your statement, do you mean that the celebration went on for one second, or that a specific second was celebrated?

By second, do you mean a unit of time? If so, a normal unit of time measured in normal fashion?
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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby WiZ » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:36 pm

AlbatrossLover

Did the cause for celebration pass after a single second? yes Are other people celebrate for this same reason for longer periods of time? yes

Relevant that it happened earlier this year? no Could a similar situation have happened before or since? yes to both Would the cause for celebration be something he did? yes Something he was? but more importantly, yes Is his age relevant? yesish Being the 'youngest person in the world' or a similar title that constantly changes? no

Earnest

Great to see your name again!

COVID relevant? no
Is it something like many men and women were celebrated (e.g. doctors of all over the world) with an applause or something similar, which would be equivalent to a second of celebration for each one of them? no Something similar? no Is the man the only one celebrated? no Does he belong to a group of people? yes, a relevant group

celebrated = for something he made? yes (you may find this answer amusing in hindsight) For a special event? yes Birthday? yes, FA lurking Could anyone be celebrated the same way? not everyone, but many people
Relevant what the celebration consist of? yesish Is it a sad celebration? no A joyful celebration? usually Applauses? minute of silence? no to both

Relevant by how many people is he celebrated? no By a nation? by all people in the world? no to both by a group of more than 10 people? no for now, and unlikely to ever be yes
Is the man celebrated only this year? no Is the man. famous? Sport man? Politician? Singer? Other? no/irrel to all

became entitled to be celebrated = he could decide to be celebrated for a second? no Maybe his name was cited in a movie? Or maybe his name appeared in TV? Or in a song? no/OWT with these Is a second a lot of time compared to the way he is celebrated (e.g. a second in a song is a lot)? no
Earlier this year = relevant precisely when? yes (although this will depend on the context)

JenBurdoo

Sports relevant? Did he break a record? That was afterwards broken? no to these

By your statement, do you mean that the celebration went on for one second, or that a specific second was celebrated? both, really

By second, do you mean a unit of time? If so, a normal unit of time measured in normal fashion? Yes to both - it was one Earth second as we would normally conceive of one
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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby trebor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:05 am

Is the man dead? Is/was his profession relevant? Or whatever he's remembered for (assuming he has ceased to be)? If so, was he a scientist? Inventor? Politician? Artist? Writer? Educator? Explorer? Entrepreneur? Religious figure? Philosopher? Are leap years relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:41 am

Is the man dead? no Is/was his profession relevant? no Or whatever he's remembered for (assuming he has ceased to be)? n/a If so, was he a scientist? Inventor? Politician? Artist? Writer? Educator? Explorer? Entrepreneur? Religious figure? Philosopher? no/irrel to all Are leap years relevant? not this time
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Postby trebor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:53 am

Is the relevant birthday his? Is it the actual day of birth for someone, as opposed to the anniversary thereof? If so, the man's offspring?

Is the group the man belongs to his family? Is the group linked by: religion? Profession? Race? Gender? Sexuality? Hobby? Presence at someone's birth? Is the group comprised of him and other people who have had this distinction? Have other people this year become entitled to be celebrated in the same way he has? Have people in previous years?

Earlier this year = relevant precisely when? yes (although this will depend on the context) - Can this only happen at a certain time of year? At a certain time of day? In a specific month?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:53 am

Great to see your name again! --> Hey! Yes I took a little vacation and had a lot to do for the PhD. I guess I will slow down a bit with the forum but never abandon my beloved lateral friends :)

Assuming that the birthday we are talking about is his birthday, relevant his precise age? More than 100? Does it happen at every birthday of him? At every birthday of people belonging to such a group? Were people celebrating his birthday for a second? Something happening in conjunction with his birthday? Are stars relevant? Space? Moon? Do people expect to celebrate the man for one second? Did they know that he would have been celebrated for one second? Did the man say something in that second? Can we assume that he was silent and not making any relevant action? Were the man and/or the people aware of when that second would have occurred? E.g. the man was able to suddenly do something lasting a second that changed his life (e.g. he remembered something? He remembered to be someone very important so that formally he was celebrated as such for the second in which he remembered it?)?

Is the amount of time of one second prefixed? agreed with someone? Chosen by the man? Dependent on something out of the man's control (e.g. weather? something concerning his health status?)?

Is anything connected with birthday celebration relevant here? E.g. blowing out the candles? Eating cake? Singing "Happy birthday"? Was he the last man or the first man belonging to a group? Reaching a certain age?

Did something happen after the second passed? Is the second in between midnight and the day after? The day after his birthday? Between the day before and the day of the birthday?
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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:18 am

Was he born on 29th February?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:02 am

Leap seconds relevant? Was it known before the second arrived that he'd have reason to celebrate during that second? Did something happen after one second that invalidated the reason? Can this reason reoccur for this man? For someone else? Did anyone else have reason to celebrate during the same second? Immediately before? After? Can the same thing happen for other short timespans? Such as two seconds? Ten?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:09 pm

So, leap years are not relevant, but maybe the date line, then? Was he travelling? On a ship? Plane? ISS?
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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby Lynne » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:02 pm

Hi Wiz!

Is this something that everybody can celebrate for one second in their life? If they only thought about it?

Is it something like being exactly at the same amount of time between your moment of being born and the moment you'll die. Except that we don't celebrate that moment because we don't know when we'll die. But something along those lines?
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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby WiZ » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:52 am

Trebor

Is the relevant birthday his? no Is it the actual day of birth for someone yes, as opposed to the anniversary thereof? If so, the man's offspring? and yes

Is the group the man belongs to his family? no Is the group linked by: religion? Profession? Race? Gender? yes Sexuality? Hobby? no to rest Presence at someone's birth? not necessarily, but this is a likely common thread Is the group comprised of him and other people who have had this distinction? yes Have other people this year become entitled to be celebrated in the same way he has? yes Have people in previous years? yes

Earlier this year = relevant precisely when? yes (although this will depend on the context) - Can this only happen at a certain time of year? yes At a certain time of day? no In a specific month? yes

Earnest

Hey! Yes I took a little vacation and had a lot to do for the PhD. I guess I will slow down a bit with the forum but never abandon my beloved lateral friends :) Good to see you're still kicking. I did worry, given that you live in Italy, but things seem to be slowing down a bit in terms of COVID.

Assuming that the birthday we are talking about is his birthday it isn't, as established via Trebor's questions, but I will answer your following questions at face value if I think the information will be useful, relevant his precise age? no More than 100? no, he would not be this old Does it happen at every birthday of him? FA At every birthday of people belonging to such a group? FA Were people celebrating his birthday for a second? no Something happening in conjunction with his birthday? no Are stars relevant? Space? Moon? no to these Do people expect to celebrate the man for one second? no Did they know that he would have been celebrated for one second? yes Did the man say something in that second? irrel Can we assume that he was silent and not making any relevant action? yes Were the man and/or the people aware of when that second would have occurred? yes E.g. the man was able to suddenly do something lasting a second that changed his life (e.g. he remembered something? He remembered to be someone very important so that formally he was celebrated as such for the second in which he remembered it?)? no to these

Is the amount of time of one second prefixed? agreed with someone? Chosen by the man? no to all Dependent on something out of the man's control yes, for multiple factors (e.g. weather? something concerning his health status?)? no to these

Is anything connected with birthday celebration relevant here? no E.g. blowing out the candles? Eating cake? Singing "Happy birthday"? no to these Was he the last man or the first man belonging to a group? Reaching a certain age? no to both

Did something happen after the second passed? yope Is the second in between midnight and the day after? yes, very good The day after his birthday? no Between the day before and the day of the birthday? no

Peter

Was he born on 29th February? Not this time

GalFisk

Leap seconds relevant? no Was it known before the second arrived that he'd have reason to celebrate during that second? not with certainty, no Did something happen after one second yope that invalidated 'invalidated' isn't quite right the reason? Can this reason reoccur for this man? no, good question For someone else? yes Did anyone else have reason to celebrate during the same second? yes Immediately before? yes After? not for some time afterwards Can the same thing happen for other short timespans? yes Such as two seconds? Ten? Yes to both

LemonCurry

So, leap years are not relevant, but maybe the date line, then? no Was he travelling? no On a ship? Plane? ISS? n/a to all

Lynne

Hi Wiz! Hi, Lynne! I always feel like such a Johnny-come-lately when I see your name on this forum. Great to still see you around.

Is this something that everybody can celebrate for one second in their life? no If they only thought about it? no

Is it something like being exactly at the same amount of time between your moment of being born and the moment you'll die. Except that we don't celebrate that moment because we don't know when we'll die. But something along those lines? It is not along these lines - he had a lot more certainty in this case.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:29 am

Thanks for the concerning WiZ! Here in Italy COVID is quite under control. Normal rises in the curves are just due to people coming back from holidays. Maybe we can discuss in chatroom how is thee situation in other States :)

Is anything about the conceiving of the children (can we assume one child? relevant the gender? can we assume no twins?) relevant? Artificial? natural?
Is technology relevant? Adoption relevant?

WAG --> the children are adopted. Law about adoption states that after a certain amount of time the man and the woman subscribing the adoption are legally entitled to become parents of the children. Maybe in the puzzle this happens when the children became of age and hence entitled to be independent from parents. So the father (but also the mother) became formally parents of the children between the day of their birthday and the day after...

Relevant the age of the offsprings at the time of celebrations? can we assume children?

calling day1 = bday of children and day2 = day after, does the second occurs in between day1 and day2? If so, is the impossibility of determining the precise date (day1/day2) relevant? Is any special day relevant? New Year's Eve? Christmas? Easter? Others?

an the same thing happen for other short timespans? yes Such as two seconds? Ten? Yes to both --> also more? 1 minute? more than 10 minutes?

is the something happening unavoidable? due to the passing of time? occurring due to something physical inside the man's body? Or maybe due to something happening to his children? could the mother be celebrated too? Does the father become uncle for a second? grandfather? something along these lines? Is the male genital organ somehow involved in this puzzle? Sorry for asking but since the puzzle its about a group of people connected by gender... :D

Anything like "the first time something happens" relevant (e.g. first tooth falling)? or maybe "last time something happens"?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:03 am

Trust me, I'm very concerning. Just ask my manager.

Is anything about the conceiving of the children (can we assume one child? yes relevant the gender? can we assume no twins?) relevant? very much so Artificial? highly unlikely natural? most probably
Is technology relevant? Adoption relevant? no to both

WAG --> the children are adopted. Law about adoption states that after a certain amount of time the man and the woman subscribing the adoption are legally entitled to become parents of the children. Maybe in the puzzle this happens when the children became of age and hence entitled to be independent from parents. So the father (but also the mother) became formally parents of the children between the day of their birthday and the day after... very interesting answer, but the truth is rather more simple

Relevant the age of the offsprings at the time of celebrations? yes can we assume children? yes (although DOYD of 'children')

calling day1 = bday of children and day2 = day after, does the second occurs in between day1 and day2? hard to answer because there isn't any time 'between' one day and the next - it happened in the final second of day 1 If so, is the impossibility of determining the precise date (day1/day2) relevant? no Is any special day relevant? yes! New Year's Eve? Christmas? Easter? no to these Others? yes

an the same thing happen for other short timespans? yes Such as two seconds? Ten? Yes to both --> also more? 1 minute? more than 10 minutes? yes to all - although there are limitations

is the something happening unavoidable? yes due to the passing of time? yes occurring due to something physical inside the man's body? no Or maybe due to something happening to his children? yes could the mother be celebrated too? not for the same reason at that same time, no Does the father become uncle for a second? grandfather? no/irrel to both something along these lines? no Is the male genital organ somehow involved in this puzzle? no Sorry for asking but since the puzzle its about a group of people connected by gender... :D I have done at least one puzzle where the solution hinged on a phallus... damn near won Puzzle of the Year.

Anything like "the first time something happens" relevant (e.g. first tooth falling)? no, not like this or maybe "last time something happens"? no
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Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:35 am

can we assume the mother does not matter at all (i.e. the same mother in case of more babies, a normal family, no problems during the childbirth...)? Moreover, can we assume that birthday is here meant as "anniversary of the natural birth of the child" (as opposed for instance to the birthday in a religious sense, e.g. re-born of muslims when they take another name)? Can we assume that the child is wanted and that this happens to all fathers?

hard to answer because there isn't any time 'between' one day and the next - it happened in the final second of day 1--> so after the second is passed: everything returns in its original state? Something have changed? If so in the child? In the father? In both? If so is the relevant change technically visible in: identity card? Online registries? Physical aspect of father/child?

is any special day relevant? yes! --> the day of conception? the day of the baby's birth...oh well of course but I mean the exact moment? Is it a special day "by calendar"? Or a special day only in relation to the man? Just reasoning...so the conception happens 9 months before the baby's birth. The he/she comes to life and the first bday happens 1 year after the day of the childbirth. Is the childbirth relevant? Natural? Caesarean operation?

Or maybe due to something happening to his children? yes --> are first words relevant? DNA? Genetic? Last name of the baby? First name? fertility? religion? nutty? physical changes in the child? or maybe just his/her age is relevant?

Does the father have the same birthday as the child?

Relevant the age of the offsprings at the time of celebrations? yes --> is it the very first bday of the baby? Otherwise I would like to invoke the list of possible ages :) Or maybe is it 12 months from the conception of the baby (so technically its birthday in the sense of the very first time he/she becomes a prospective future baby)?

more than 10 minutes? yes to all - although there are limitations --> are the limitations due to something related to the conceiving of the baby? something sexual? Or maybe to the father realizing it? To the baby? To nature?


I have done at least one puzzle where the solution hinged on a phallus... damn near won Puzzle of the Year. --> uhhh I remember something like that. Very cool indeed. xD
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Postby WiZ » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:34 am

can we assume the mother does not matter at all (i.e. the same mother in case of more babies, a normal family, no problems during the childbirth...)? It is safe to say that the mother is not a confounding variable in this puzzle. Moreover, can we assume that birthday is here meant as "anniversary of the natural birth of the child" (as opposed for instance to the birthday in a religious sense, e.g. re-born of muslims when they take another name)? no to both, actually Can we assume that the child is wanted and that this happens to all fathers? yes on both counts

hard to answer because there isn't any time 'between' one day and the next - it happened in the final second of day 1--> so after the second is passed: everything returns in its original state? no Something have changed? yes If so in the child? In the father? In both? no to both If so is the relevant change technically visible in: identity card? Online registries? Physical aspect of father/child? no to all

is any special day relevant? yes! --> the day of conception? no the day of the baby's birth...oh well of course but I mean the exact moment? no Is it a special day "by calendar"? yes, small ish Or a special day only in relation to the man? no Just reasoning...so the conception happens 9 months before the baby's birth. Assume yes The he/she comes to life and the first bday happens 1 year after the day of the childbirth assume yes. Is the childbirth relevant? Natural? Caesarean operation? no details about the childbirth other than the timing are relevant - but assume it was fairly quick and uncomplicated

Or maybe due to something happening to his children? yes --> are first words relevant? DNA? Genetic? Last name of the baby? First name? fertility? religion? no to these nutty? Something might have got lost in translation here physical changes in the child? or maybe just his/her age is relevant? no to these

Does the father have the same birthday as the child? irrelevant

Relevant the age of the offsprings at the time of celebrations? yes --> is it the very first bday of the baby? yes - the baby has literally just been born Otherwise I would like to invoke the list of possible ages :) 0. Like, the earth's population just went up by 1 Or maybe is it 12 months from the conception of the baby (so technically its birthday in the sense of the very first time he/she becomes a prospective future baby)? no

more than 10 minutes? yes to all - although there are limitations --> are the limitations due to something related to the conceiving of the baby? something sexual? Or maybe to the father realizing it? To the baby? To nature? no to these
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Re: [WiZ] Congr-

Postby gregoryuconn » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:35 pm

Father’s Day relevant? Was the baby born one second before the end of Father’s Day?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:55 pm

Father’s Day relevant? Was the baby born one second before the end of Father’s Day?

***** SPOILER *****

His wife gave birth to their first child one second before midnight on Father's Day.


Congratulations, GregoryUConn, on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing!
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