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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:47 pm

Her misconception about the titles was actually the other way around. This could have been avoided if she lived somewhere else.
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:00 pm

Her=she? Titles as in: place names? road signs? book titles?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:01 pm

Her=she? Yes Titles as in: place names? No road signs? No book titles? Not books, but OTRT
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:12 pm

Magazines? Song/poem titles? Newspaper headlines?
Does "misconception about the titles was actually the other way around" mean that if she lived elsewhere her misconception would be the opposite of what she currently believes? Or if she lived elsewhere, would there be no misconception?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:21 pm

Magazines? Song/poem titles? Newspaper headlines? No
Does "misconception about the titles was actually the other way around" mean that if she lived elsewhere her misconception would be the opposite of what she currently believes? Yesish/yope, because... Or if she lived elsewhere, would there be no misconception? Yes
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:24 pm

Language of where she lives relevant? Or different cultures relevant?
Posters? Leaflets? Letters? E-mails? Website titles?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:29 pm

Language of where she lives relevant? Noish Or different cultures relevant? Yope, but more relevantly...
Posters? Leaflets? Letters? E-mails? Website titles? None of these, I can say it's a type of media
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:32 pm

Is it a kind of British-American language difference?
Social media? Something on TV? Some kind of company name?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:35 pm

Is it a kind of British-American language difference? No, nothing like this
Social media? Something on TV? Some kind of company name? None of these
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:49 pm

Is "she" you? Is where she lived Norway?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:52 pm

Is "she" you? Not specifically, though I could have gotten the same impression myself Is where she lived Norway? Possibly, but could have been many other countries too
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:55 pm

Not different spellings/ways of writing things then?
Media - printed? on computer? any kind of technology involved?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:00 pm

Not different spellings/ways of writing things then? Noish to yope, but there's a more relevant element here
Media - printed? No on computer? DOYD "computer" any kind of technology involved? Yes
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:05 pm

Something to do with words though? Numbers?
Modern technology? So from the past decade?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:09 pm

Something to do with words though? Yes but beware FA Numbers? No
Modern technology? Yes So from the past decade? The type of media itself - Older, the more specific one - newer
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:12 pm

So not spelling? More to do with how letters are arranged? Punctuation? Capital letters?
News? On a mobile phone? Tablet?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:13 pm

So not spelling? More to do with how letters are arranged? Punctuation? Capital letters? None of these
News? On a mobile phone? Tablet? None of these

The words/spellings/ect themselves aren't what's relevant
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:16 pm

Is the type of media something most people come across every day?
Some form of advertising? On electronic billboards? Money/currency relevant?
Font of the words? Size of the lettering?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:22 pm

Is the type of media something most people come across every day? DOYD but i'd say not really
Some form of advertising? No On electronic billboards? So no Money/currency relevant? No
Font of the words? Size of the lettering? FA
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:27 pm

Letters aren't relevant? Are actual words visible at all? Is writing at all relevant?
Is communication relevant for the media?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:30 pm

Letters aren't relevant? Not letters in themselves Are actual words visible at all? Yes Is writing at all relevant? Not writing, but...
Is communication relevant for the media? No
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:33 pm

Are the words written in normal letters? Words in a list? Names relevant?
Is the type of media relevant to specific occupation? Hobby?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:36 pm

Are the words written in normal letters? Words in a list? OTWT Names relevant? As in people's names? No
Is the type of media relevant to specific occupation? Hobby? This
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Sports? Some sort of game? Something more academic? To do with literature? A forum of some sort? Titles of topics within a forum?

Title of this puzzle relevant?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:01 pm

Sports? Some sort of game? This Something more academic? To do with literature? A forum of some sort? Titles of topics within a forum?

Title of this puzzle relevant? In a way, might be more apparent how it's relevant as more of the answer is revealed
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:04 pm

Board game? Computer game?
Is the form of media something like Xbox Live or playing together on a PlayStation? Could titles be titles of games?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:05 pm

Board game? Computer game? This
Is the form of media something like Xbox Live or playing together on a PlayStation? No, just video games Could titles be titles of games? Yes!
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:11 pm

Are the names of games different in different places? Is it relevant what the game is on? Disc? Console? PC?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:19 pm

Are the names of games different in different places? Yes, explore, and there's more to this Is it relevant what the game is on? Not really, no Disc? Console? PC?
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Postby android18 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:23 pm

Did she think that due to the different names, they were different games, but if she'd lived in a different country they'd all have same name? Is this kind of on the right track?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:36 pm

Did she think that due to the different names, they were different games, yes, for one interpretation of "different games" but if she'd lived in a different country they'd all have same name? Not the same name, but... Is this kind of on the right track? Yes
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Postby Westing1992 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:28 am

Sequels relevant? (For example, Final Fantasy VI was initially known as Final Fantasy III in the US.)
Or is it something like this: Game 1 comes out in the US and is called Space Shooter. It is renamed Star Shooter in the UK for whatever reason. Game 2 comes out in the US and is called Star Shooter. Since Game 1 already has that name in the UK, it is renamed as Star Pilot over there.
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:53 am

Sequels relevant? yes...(For example, Final Fantasy VI was initially known as Final Fantasy III in the US.) but not in this way
Or is it something like this: Game 1 comes out in the US and is called Space Shooter. It is renamed Star Shooter in the UK for whatever reason. Game 2 comes out in the US and is called Star Shooter. Since Game 1 already has that name in the UK, it is renamed as Star Pilot over there. Not like this, but slighty OTRT ( though beware FA)
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:55 am

Did she think certain games were sequels when they actually were not?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:02 am

Did she think certain games were sequels when they actually were not?Yes! Explore
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:06 am

Was it actually the same game and not a sequel? Eg. Broken Sword remastered?
Or were they actually different games altogether? A new game trying to piggyback on the success of an earlier game? Thus with similar names?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:10 am

Was it actually the same game and not a sequel? Eg. Broken Sword remastered? No
Or were they actually different games altogether? Yes A new game trying to piggyback on the success of an earlier game? Yes...Thus with similar names? And not just similar...
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:12 am

Identical names?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:15 am

Identical names? Yes
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:19 am

So in certain countries, game developers sometimes make a game and call it Mario or whatever to increase popularity and sales? And our puzzle protagonist thought that it was a sequel, correct? Did she also perhaps think that the original games were the imitation games, when it was in fact 'the other way round'?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:26 am

So in certain countries, game developers sometimes make a game and call it Mario or whatever to increase popularity and sales? Yes, exploreAnd our puzzle protagonist thought that it was a sequel, correct?Yes... Did she also perhaps think that the original games were the imitation games, when it was in fact 'the other way round'? Yes!


You've found the misconception, but there's still more to be solved here...
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:12 am

Does this happen in countries all over the world? Only on certain continents? Only in countries with certain language(s)? Copyright or trademark laws relevant to where this can happen?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:47 pm

Does this happen in countries all over the world?Yes Only on certain continents? NoishOnly in countries with certain language(s)? No Copyright or trademark laws relevant to where this can happen? YES, very much
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:04 pm

Does it happen where copyright and trademark laws are especially: strong? Weak? Enforced? Ignored? Sanctions between countries relevant?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:17 pm

Does it happen where copyright and trademark laws are especially: strong? Weak? Enforced? Slighty irr Ignored? But probably not this Sanctions between countries relevant? Not between countries directly, and sanctions probably isn't the best word, but somewhat OTRT
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:25 pm

Things not being sold in certain countries relevant? Or certain areas? Are the parasite games sold: where the originals are popular? Where the originals are not popular? Where the originals are easy to find? Hard to find? Completely absent?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:33 pm

Things not being sold in certain countries relevant? Or certain areas? No Are the parasite games sold: where the originals are popular? Where the originals are not popular? Irrel how popular they are, but the name at least would likely be known to a lot of customers/gamers Where the originals are easy to find? Hard to find? Also irrel Completely absent? Probably not in most cases but beware FA
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:38 pm

Time elapsed between publishing of originals and parasites relevant? Is the time especially short? Long? Are parasites published in countries where they can be released before the originals arrive there?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:47 pm

Time elapsed between publishing of originals and parasites relevant? Noish, something else is more relevant Is the time especially short? But usually this Long? Are parasites published in countries where they can be released before the originals arrive there? Possibly but not necessarily
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:49 pm

Holidays in different countries relevant? Shopping days? Bargain days?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:50 pm

Holidays in different countries relevant? Shopping days? Bargain days? None of these
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:53 pm

Publishing the original at different times in different countries relevant? Is the most relevant thing related to time at all? Price difference in different countries relevant? Does the parasite undercut the price of the original?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:58 pm

Publishing the original at different times in different countries relevant? No, and it's released the same time all across the same regions Is the most relevant thing related to time at all? Not time itself directly Price difference in different countries relevant? Does the parasite undercut the price of the original? Irrel
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Postby android18 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:29 pm

Does the title refer to something to do with only the name of a game being the same to be legal?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:33 pm

Does the title refer to something to do with only the name of a game being the same Yes to be legal? Can you rephrase that?
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Postby android18 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:35 pm

As in, is it only legal for the names of both the actual game and the parasite to be the same? Or does legality not come into this?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:38 pm

As in, is it only legal for the names of both the actual game and the parasite to be the same? Not "only", but OTRT (with possible FA) - explore Or does legality not come into this? It does, very much so
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:10 pm

Relevant how one goes about registering a name? Trademark laws relevant?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:35 pm

Relevant how one goes about registering a name? Not "how" exactly, but...Trademark laws relevant? Yes
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Postby android18 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:44 pm

Is it legal for the names to be the same? Are there no trademark laws for the names?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:58 pm

Is it legal for the names to be the same? Names of the "fake" and the real game? Yesish/yope, but beware of a big FA here Are there no trademark laws for the names? Quite the opposite...
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:58 pm

Hint: We already know the names are "the other way around" - as in, what she thought was the real one was the "fake" and vice versa - find out more about this, keeping in mind that sequels are relevant
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:19 pm

Does the trademark law allow one to give a game the same name as another, as long as they put a number at the end of it? So in these countries, if I were to make a game and call it "Portal 3" or "Final Fantasy 954", would that be legal?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:52 pm

Does the trademark law allow one to give a game the same name as another Yes/yope, but there's something more to this as long as they put a number at the end of it? No... So in these countries, if I were to make a game and call it "Portal 3" or "Final Fantasy 954", would that be legal? No, that's not it
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Postby android18 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:08 am

Are the names actually the same, or are they not? Or just similar? Deliberately misspelled to avoid trademark laws?
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Postby Zanreo » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:33 pm

Are the names actually the same, or are they not? Yes, they're the same, or the series is either way Or just similar? Deliberately misspelled to avoid trademark laws? no, OTWT

Hint/clarification: "Same name" refers to the series/franchise, not one specific game
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Postby Zanreo » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:25 pm

Another hint: Explore why the original/real game would suddenly have a different name
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Postby android18 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:58 am

The original name was already trademarked in some countries?
Or trademark laws didn't stop parasites from having the same name, so the original changed theirs?
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Postby Zanreo » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:01 am

The original name was already trademarked in some countries? Yes (possible risk of FA here)
Or trademark laws didn't stop parasites from having the same name Yope/noish, but..., so the original changed theirs? Yes
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Postby android18 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:24 pm

The original name was already trademarked in some countries, but didn't affect any other games?
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Postby Zanreo » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:35 pm

The original name was already trademarked in some countries yes(ish), and explore this part - still something unsolved but didn't affect any other games? Would most likely affect other games trying to use that name
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Postby android18 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:18 pm

Did the rip-off game trademark the name first?
Do the original game and the rip-off have exactly the same name?
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby Zanreo » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:24 pm

Did the rip-off game trademark the name first? Not that particular game, but...
Do the original game and the rip-off have exactly the same name? Yes, but there's something more to discover here
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Postby android18 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:34 pm

Someone else had used the name first, so the rip-off thought it was alright to?
Is the rip-off actually a game?
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Postby Zanreo » Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:53 am

Someone else had used the name first, so the rip-off thought it was alright to? Yesish, but possibly kind of FA!
Is the rip-off actually a game? Yes

Hint: The trademarks aren't owned by someone who were never involved with the games
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:23 pm

Maybe time for a recap, to clear things up a bit:

Someone has a misconception about two games, specifically she thinks that one (game A) is part of the original series and the other (game B) is a ripoff. This turns out to be the other way around, A is the ripoff and B is the original series. Game A has the same name as the series in question (might be a potential FA here!), while game B has a different name. Trademarks are relevant, the name was already trademarked in some places, and relevant trademarks aren't owned by someone who were never involved with the games. The misconception could have been avoided if she lived somewhere else.
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:30 pm

Would it help if we knew the series?
And is the scenario something along the lines of, for example, Game A is called Star Wars and is a rip-off, whilst Game B is called The Phantom Menace and is part of the original series. So it looks as if the rip-off came first?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:32 pm

Would it help if we knew the series? If you know the story, yes, possibly, though even some fans don't know the situation and it's fully possible to guess without knowing much about the series in question, or games in general
And is the scenario something along the lines of, for example, Game A is called Star Wars and is a rip-off, whilst Game B is called The Phantom Menace and is part of the original series. OTRT, yes So it looks as if the rip-off came first? No
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:40 pm

Did it look like Game A was the original because its name was the same as the series? Or contained the series name? And Game B didn't, making her think it was the rip-off?
Was the series: Lego? Call of Duty? FIFA? Pokémon? Star Wars? Harry Potter? Halo? a 'Tycoon' series?
Even if I'm not a fan and probably won't help much.
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:42 pm

Did it look like Game A was the original because its name was the same as the series? Yes Or contained the series name? And yes And Game B didn't, making her think it was the rip-off? Yes
Was the series: Lego? Call of Duty? FIFA? Pokémon? Star Wars? Harry Potter? Halo? a 'Tycoon' series?
Even if I'm not a fan and probably won't help much. None of these
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:49 pm

Is the trademark owned by someone involved with the original game? The rip-off? Both?
Was the relevant name not trademarked where she lived? Or it was, but not somewhere else?
Where she lived the name was trademarked by the rip-off first?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:51 pm

Is the trademark owned by someone involved with the original game? Yes The rip-off? And later this Both? So yes
Was the relevant name not trademarked where she lived? Or it was, but not somewhere else? This
Where she lived the name was trademarked by the rip-off first? Not "first", but...
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:56 pm

It was only trademarked by the rip-off?
Did the original series only trademark in some places, so the owner of the trademark allowed the rip-off to use it in other places? Or he created the rip-off and used it in other places?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:01 pm

It was only trademarked by the rip-off? Yesish, explore
Did the original series only trademark in some places Yes, so the owner of the trademark allowed the rip-off to use it in other places? FA Or he created the rip-off Yes and used it in other places? clarify other places?
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:40 pm

Places where it hadn't been trademarked by the original, such as where she lived?
Did he create the rip-off first and then later get involved with the real series?
Where the original was trademarked, was the rip-off also trademarked? But there were some places where only the rip-off was trademarked and he lived in one of those places?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:56 pm

Places where it hadn't been trademarked by the original, such as where she lived? "Allowed" isn't the right word, but...
Did he create the rip-off first and then later get involved with the real series? No. Also hint: "he" is more than one person
Where the original was trademarked, was the rip-off also trademarked? Probably but irr But there were some places where only the rip-off was trademarked Yope and that's the same place as above and he lived in one of those places?
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:05 pm

Was a duplicate trademark allowed by mistake? Corruption relevant? Was a trademark so limited that another almost identical one would not be prohibited?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:24 pm

Was a duplicate trademark allowed by mistake? Corruption relevant? Was a trademark so limited that another almost identical one would not be prohibited? None of these
Explore who owns the trademark
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:41 pm

Is it owned by: one person? A corporation? A group? Is there a law saying trademarks can only be registered to persons? Has the trademark ever been transferred? Can it be, according to the law?
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:00 pm

Was the original series bought by the developer of the rip-off or something like that? Hence why the trademark owner was involved with both games? So was it a bit like, using Star Wars again, when Disney bought the series? So in my example scenario, Episodes I-VI would be the original and the Force Awakens would be the rip-off?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:08 pm

GalFisk:
Is it owned by: one person? A corporation? This A group? Is there a law saying trademarks can only be registered to persons? No Has the trademark ever been transferred? No Can it be, according to the law? So irrel

android18:
Was the original series bought by the developer of the rip-off or something like that? Not bought, but... Hence why the trademark owner was involved with both games? Not for that reason So was it a bit like, using Star Wars again, when Disney bought the series? Not exactly So in my example scenario, Episodes I-VI would be the original and the Force Awakens would be the rip-off? OTRT
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:12 pm

Did a company go out of business? Was a trademark given away? Did a trademark expire?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:14 pm

Did a company go out of business? No Was a trademark given away? OTRT/yope, though "given away" isn't the best term here Did a trademark expire? No
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:15 pm

A merger between two developers? Same company, but different development team?
Is the rip-off a reboot of the original series? And that's why they both have the same name?
Just to clarify, it's not that the two games have slightly different names in different countries, right?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:19 pm

A merger between two developers? No Same company, but different development team? Yope/yesish
Is the rip-off a reboot of the original series? Gonna say Yesish, though not exactly "reboot" And that's why they both have the same name? Yes
Just to clarify, it's not that the two games have slightly different names in different countries, right? They do (and more than "slightly") but that's not the relevant part here
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Did the company change name? Rebrand?
Was the trademark then replaced with another? And some places had the old trademark? And some had the new one?
Not reboot.....spin-off?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:25 pm

Did the company change name? No Rebrand? No, but...
Was the trademark then replaced with another? And some places had the old trademark? And some had the new one? Of the original or ripoff?
Not reboot.....spin-off? No
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:28 pm

The rip-off being the new trademark?
Was the company re-structured?
Was the rip-off a prequel? Sequel?
A remake?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:31 pm

The rip-off being the new trademark? The ripoff used the original/"real" trademark
Was the company re-structured? No and FA, but...
Was the rip-off a prequel? Sequel?
A remake? None of these, I can say it was more like a regular "continuation" of the series if anything
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:38 pm

Was a company split apart? Was part of a company spun off? Did a group leave a company to start their own? Did a company stop making games in the series?
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:39 pm

Was there only one trademark involved?
Did the company have different subsidiaries in different places?
So it would be the same people involved and the same trademark?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Was there only one trademark involved? Noish depending on how you mean
Did the company have different subsidiaries in different places? Yes but this isn't what affected this
So it would be the same people involved and the same trademark? With the ripoff, yes
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:47 pm

You have missed some questions above mine.

Were the games actually different at all?
Were they two different takes on one idea?
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:53 pm

You have missed some questions above mine.sorry, will answer them right away

GalFisk:
Was a company split apart? Was part of a company spun off? Did a group leave a company to start their own? No but these are more or less OTRT (there's still an element missing here) Did a company stop making games in the series? No

android18:
Were the games actually different at all? Yes
Were they two different takes on one idea? You could say that, yes
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Postby android18 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:59 pm

Was there some kind of competition between two teams on who could create the best game or something?
Was one game a different edition of the other? Like a deluxe version?
Relevant the period of time between the original and the rip-off being released?
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Postby Zanreo » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:01 pm

Was there some kind of competition between two teams on who could create the best game or something? No
Was one game a different edition of the other? Like a deluxe version? No
Relevant the period of time between the original and the rip-off being released? Not in itself, no
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:39 am

Did a company change its name? Were both games made by companies?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:09 am

Did a company change its name? No, but something relevantly did change Were both games made by companies? Yes
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:11 am

Did something else change its name? Did a company change in some other way? If so: change employees? Owners? Business? Did a company quit making games?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:13 am

Did something else change its name? No Did a company change in some other way? you could say that, explore If so: change employees? This is closest, but not quite... Owners? Business? Did a company quit making games? no
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:27 am

Hire employees? Fire employees? Buy another company? Promote someone? Demote someone?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:28 am

Hire employees? Fire employees? Buy another company? Not buy (relevantly), but... Promote someone? Demote someone?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:36 am

Receive one for free? Create one? Perform a takeover? Receive assets from a bankruptcy?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:37 am

Receive one for free? Create one? Perform a takeover? Receive assets from a bankruptcy? None of these (relevantly), and slightly OTWT

Think about the different ways companies can work with each other
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:54 am

Did they hire another company to do some work? Sign a contract of cooperation? Of non-competition? Did a contract expire? Was a trademark shared? Transferred?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:57 am

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Did they hire another company to do some work? no Sign a contract of cooperation? With the creator of the other game? No (but...) Of non-competition? no Did a contract expire? no Was a trademark shared? No Transferred? NO, rather...

Also, a correction/clarification from earlier post since I see a possible misleading: they did buy a company, but that's not the (directly) relevant part here and not related to this event
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:10 pm

Was something else transferred? Did someone retain trademark rights, while transferring the rights to a particular game?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:18 pm

Was something else transferred? Not transferred Did someone retain trademark rights YES!while transferring the rights to a particular game? Yesish
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:29 am

Did someone retain trademark rights while making a game for another company? LucasArts relevant?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:00 am

Did someone retain trademark rights while making a game for another company? Yes, except not making it... LucasArts relevant? No
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:54 am

Not making: financing? Publishing? Selling?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:27 am

Not making: financing? Publishing? This Selling?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:37 am

So a game publisher got ownership of the trademark for publishing a game from a game studio, and later they made another game in the series themselves?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:46 am

So a game publisher got ownership of the trademark for publishing a game from a game studio, and later they made another game in the series themselves? Yes!

Still something missing, at this point it could be a good idea to explore the "lived somewhere else" part
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Postby android18 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:48 pm

Was the rip-off not published where she lived? Or it was, but the original wasn't?
If so, is it relevant why one of the games was not published?
We're both games published where she lived, but the rip-off was released first?
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:19 pm

Was the rip-off not published where she lived? No, the ripoff was released there, however...Or it was, but the original wasn't? So no
If so, is it relevant why one of the games was not published? Noish
We're both games published where she lived, yes but the rip-off was released first? Yes but mostly irrel
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby android18 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:57 pm

We're both games published where she lived?
Or neither of them?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:09 pm

We're both games published where she lived? Yes. On the other hand...
Or neither of them? So no
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby android18 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:29 pm

Neither of them we're published somewhere else?
Or somewhere else, the original was published first? The original was the only one published?
If somewhere else neither were published, would that mean the misconception would never have existed in the first place?
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:37 pm

Neither of them we're published somewhere else? No
Or somewhere else, the original was published first? The original was the only one published? This!
If somewhere else neither were published, the original waswould that mean the misconception would never have existed in the first place? But yes, this!
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby android18 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:41 pm

So because where she lived both were published and the rip-off had the name of the series, she though that the rip-off was the original? But if she lived elsewhere, where only the original was released, she'd assume only one was ever published, that being the original?

Is there much left to solve?
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Re: [Zanreo] In Name Only

Postby Zanreo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:17 pm

So because where she lived both were published and the rip-off had the name of the series, she though that the rip-off was the original? But if she lived elsewhere, where only the original was released, she'd assume only one was ever published, that being the original? Yes

Is there much left to solve? Actually, I'd say that's enough for the

** SPOILER **
Some years back, Marvelous, the developers of Harvest Moon, changed their publisher for the West. Earlier, Natsume had been the publisher in the West, but Marvelous now wanted to switch to Xseed. The problem, however, was that Natsume owned the localized "Harvest Moon" trademark, and so Marvelous and the new publisher had to go with another name (Story of Seasons). Meanwhile, Natsume decided to make their own Harvest Moon games since they owned the trademark, even if these weren't the "original" games by the actual developers. So it wouldn't be unlikely that someone could have seen both the new Harvest Moon and Story of Seasons, and without knowing of the situation beforehand, assume the new Harvest Moon was the real one and Story of Seasons was (at best) a game with the same concept or (at worst) a shameless Harvest Moon ripoff... while in fact it would be the other way around. In Japan, however, the series always used and still goes by the same name (Bokujo Monogatari) and was published by Marvelous themselves (and the ripoff Harvest Moon wasn't even released there) so there wouldn't be any confusion there even for people who hadn't read up on this.

Great work, everyone!
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Re: [Zanreo](SOLVED) In Name Only

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Good puzzle, I liked it!
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