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[WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:28 pm

In a bureau drawer, Dave keeps a stack of old postcards from a good friend. They each end with the valediction, 'Better luck next time, you contemptible scoundrel'. Why should this be so?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:42 pm

Relevant that he keeps them in a bureau drawer? Would the puzzle work if he kept them in a shoebox under his bed?

a good friend - H/A/M? H/A/F?

Relevant how many postcards there are? If so, less than 10? 10-50? 51-100? more than that?
Relevant how old the postcards are? Does the friend still send postcards? If not, relevant why s/he stopped?

Relevant what's on the picture side of the postcards? Relevant what else is written on the postcards?

Relevant where the postcards were sent from? If so, were they all sent from the same place?

Relevant how far apart the postcards were sent? If so, all at the same time? less than a week apart? Less than a month? less than a year? more than that? Were the postcards sent at regular intervals? Were they sent for a special occasion? If so, Dave's birthday? Christmas? The anniversary of an event?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:48 pm

Relevant that he keeps them in a bureau drawer?

No. I just like the words 'bureau drawer'.


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Would the puzzle work if he kept them in a shoebox under his bed? yes

a good friend - H/A/ yes M? irrel; probably the more likely option H/A/F?

Relevant how many postcards there are? no If so, less than 10? 10 assume a dozen or so -50? 51-100? more than that?
Relevant how old the postcards are? yes Does the friend still send postcards? no If not, relevant why s/he stopped? yes

Relevant what's on the picture side of the postcards? no Relevant what else is written on the postcards? no

Relevant where the postcards were sent from? no If so, were they all sent from the same place? assume no

Relevant how far apart the postcards were sent? no If so, all at the same time? less than a week apart? Less than a month? less than a year? assume this more than that? Were the postcards sent at regular intervals? yes, more or less Were they sent for a special occasion? no If so, Dave's birthday? Christmas? The anniversary of an event? n/a to all
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:38 pm

Were they sending postcards back and forth to play a game? (i.e. sending chess notations on the cards, and then moving the pieces on an actual chessboard.)

Stamps relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:56 pm

Were they sending postcards back and forth to play a game? (i.e. sending chess notations on the cards, and then moving the pieces on an actual chessboard.) no

Stamps relevant? no
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:29 am

Does Dave also send postcards to the sender (can we call him Jack) if so is there something unusual in the message that he sends? Did Jack stop sending postcards because he died?

Is either person famous in their real life or fictional world?

Is there some sort of bet going on? Oneupmanship? Is Jack basically saying that he knows Dave is up to something?

I've just realised that I may have a false assumption, were the postcards actually sent to Dave?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:24 pm

Does Dave also send postcards to the sender (can we call him Jack) irrelevant if so is there something unusual in the message that he sends? no Did Jack stop sending postcards because he died? no

Is either person famous in their real life or fictional world? no

Is there some sort of bet going on? noish to yope! Oneupmanship? no Is Jack basically saying that he knows Dave is up to something? Jack is acknowledging something that he knows Dave is up to, yes

I've just realised that I may have a false assumption, were the postcards actually sent to Dave? they were
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Postby emeraldink » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:13 pm

Is Dave participating in a competition? contest? job search? certification testing? admission process?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:14 pm

Is Dave participating in a competition? contest? job search? certification testing? admission process? no to all
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Postby emeraldink » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:39 am

Is he playing a lottery? sports pool ( betting )? horse races? any other chance game?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:40 am

Is he being called a contemptible scoundrel: earnestly? Jokingly? Lovingly? In reference to something specific? If so: a piece of fiction? A specific event? Would it work if the insult changed between postcards?
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:52 pm

Were they picture postcards? Holidays relevant?
Would the puzzle work if the communication had been with letters? phone calls? e-mails?
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:14 pm

Does Jack send postcards to anybody else?
Postcards are rarely sent these days in my personal experience, was it months/years/decades since they were sent?
Are Dave and Jack friends or related to each other?
Is there a rivalry between them?
Do they concern romantic relationships that didn't last? Did they stop because Dave settled down with someone? Was he known for moving from one girl to another?

As a teenager I sent annual postcards to somebody, saying 'Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer'. The guy in question would never have guessed they were from me as I don't think we'd ever spoken. I didn't fancy him or anything, I just worked out his address as it was a business on the High Road. I just liked to think he was bemused at not one but several cards arriving year after year.
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:24 pm

Emeraldink

Is he playing a lottery? sports pool ( betting )? horse races? no to these any other chance game? not by any formal definition

GalFisk

Is he being called a contemptible scoundrel: earnestly? a little bit Jokingly? Lovingly? but mostly these In reference to something specific? No, he is not alluding to any well-known point of reference (I hope I understand your question) If so: a piece of fiction? A specific event? n/a Would it work if the insult changed between postcards? Yes, if the sentiment was the same

Lemoncurry

Were they picture postcards? yes Holidays relevant? not especially
Would the puzzle work if the communication had been with letters? phone calls? potentially either of these, but it would be less elegant - postcards are thematically the most appropriate given the circumstances e-mails? no, except in certain countries

Lynne

Does Jack send postcards to anybody else? not relevantly
Postcards are rarely sent these days in my personal experience And mine - when Mrs. Wiz and I did our world tour, we made sure to send our family and friends several; some of them still display the postcards on their wall as some kind of curio, was it months/years/decades this since they were sent?
Are Dave and Jack friends yes or related to each other? no, as this is a true story - although the puzzle could work either way
Is there a rivalry between them? not relevantly, although the nature of their friendship is worth exploring
Do they concern romantic relationships that didn't last? no Did they stop because Dave settled down with someone? no Was he known for moving from one girl to another? no

As a teenager I sent annual postcards to somebody, saying 'Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer'. The guy in question would never have guessed they were from me as I don't think we'd ever spoken. I didn't fancy him or anything, I just worked out his address as it was a business on the High Road. I just liked to think he was bemused at not one but several cards arriving year after year. I approve of this harmless gadfliery. I wonder if he developed his beer palate as a result.

An aside: whenever I use a neologism that subscribes more or less to the conventions of English grammar, I always google the word to see how many others before me have thought of it. If nobody else has, it's usually a sign that I've over-extended, and either forgotten a cardinal rule or made something too convoluted to be understood easily. If hundreds of people have, I chide myself as to my lack of originality. If half a dozen or so have, as is the case here, I smile at the thought of this small handful of like-minded individual who have put the pieces so elegantly together, and muse that we would probably get along.

Shout-out to the one person out there in the world who not only beat me to the concept of a 'Hopeless Romanticore', but gave it the cutest possible illustration. I may have to steal it as my SomethingAwful username/avatar.
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Postby emeraldink » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:12 am

At the time the cards were sent did Dave (?) or his friend (?) traveled around the world? On business? for pleasure?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:10 am

Are their professions relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:32 pm

Emeraldink

At the time the cards were sent did Dave (?) or his friend (?) traveled around the world? Jack did; he travelled internationally On business? for pleasure? irrelevant

Peter

Are their professions relevant? no
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Postby Balin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:41 pm

Are any specific world locations relevant? Is Jack simply trying to tell Dave where he is?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:59 pm

Are any specific world locations relevant? no Is Jack simply trying to tell Dave where he is? no, that is not what the valediction conveys
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Postby peter365 » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:06 am

Is this a bizarre type of treasure hunt? Is there anything unusual in how Jack addressed the postcards?

Is the trigger for Jack to send the postcard something he sees? finds? reads? hears?

Is there a pattern to the timing of the postcards?
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Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:32 pm

Do the postcards have any ongoing meaning for him today? Or is he keeping them for sentimental reasons? Will any more be sent to him? If so, does he look forward to them or are they are nuisance? Do they require any action to be taken? Is there a one-upmanship on the part of Jack?
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Postby Lynne » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:40 pm

I'd venture to say that this isn't common parlance today. Was he channelling his inner Victorian? e.g. The Three Musketeers? Did Jack receive anything similar from Dave?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:49 pm

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Is this a bizarre type of treasure hunt? no Is there anything unusual in how Jack addressed the postcards? no

Is the trigger for Jack to send the postcard something he sees? finds? reads? hears? none of the above

Is there a pattern to the timing of the postcards? no

Lynne

Do the postcards have any ongoing meaning for him today? Or is he keeping them for sentimental reasons? this, by and large Will any more be sent to him? no If so, does he look forward to them or are they are nuisance? If this were to be an ongoing thing, he would look forward to them Do they require any action to be taken? no Is there a one-upmanship on the part of Jack? not one-upmanship, but explore
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Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:55 pm

Is Dave trying to playfully (or otherwise) trick Jack into something?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:57 pm

Is Dave trying to playfully (or otherwise) trick Jack into something? no
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Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:28 pm

Is it relevant that Jack is using old-timely type phrasing? or does he always talk that way?

Is the Secret of Monkey Island relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:12 pm

Oops - just noticed I missed one round of Lynne's questions.

I'd venture to say that this isn't common parlance today. Was he channelling his inner Victorian? e.g. The Three Musketeers? not relevantly - it's just part of his personality. He could have signed it off 'You bastard' without materially changing the solution Did Jack receive anything similar from Dave? no, although there's no reason that this couldn't be reciprocal

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Is it relevant that Jack is using old-timely type phrasing? or does he always talk that way? he always talks that way; this isn't really relevant - see above

Is the Secret of Monkey Island relevant? no
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Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:20 pm

Did something significant happen that stopped Jack sending the cards?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:26 pm

Did something significant happen that stopped Jack sending the cards? Yesish - something happened that stopped Jack signing them off like that
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Postby Lynne » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:28 pm

But did he carry on sending cards with a different sign off?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:32 pm

But did he carry on sending cards with a different sign off? Assume yes, for some time afterwards. Irrelevant, really
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:02 pm

Did Dave ever accomplish what he was trying to do to Jack?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:08 pm

Did Dave ever accomplish what he was trying to do to Jack? No (although if he ever did, the postcards would stop)
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:12 pm

Did either Dave or Jack just get bored with the whole thing? or maybe did they stop because Jack died?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:24 pm

Did either Dave or Jack just get bored with the whole thing? no, they would have kept this up indefinitely if not for a relevant variable changing or maybe did they stop because Jack died? no (although, obviously, this would also have stopped the stream of postcards)
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:30 pm

Was what Dave was trying to get away with solely related to postcards?

Was Dave and or Jack famous? was Dave also traveling around?

Just to check, whether Dave sent Jack postcards is irrelevant?

Did these two friends ever correspond in some other way(s)? e-mail? phone? letters?

Is the era this occurred relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:33 pm

Was what Dave was trying to get away with solely related to postcards? no

Was Dave and or Jack famous? no was Dave also traveling around? no; relevantly not at the same time as Jack was

Just to check, whether Dave sent Jack postcards is irrelevant? correct

Did these two friends ever correspond in some other way(s)? irrelevant e-mail? phone? letters?

Is the era this occurred relevant? yes
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:37 pm

Did this occur in 17th? 18th? 19th? 20th century?

Is it relevant how Jack was able to know what Dave was up to? did he have visual means? audio?

Any friendly bet involved?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:41 pm

Did this occur in 17th? 18th? 19th? 20th this century?

Is it relevant how Jack was able to know what Dave was up to? no did he have visual means? audio?

Any friendly bet involved? I gave the answer 'Noish to yope' to a similar question earlier in the thread. If we expand the definition of 'bet' to include things like Pascal's Wager, I would change the answer to this question to 'yesish'
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:45 pm

Ok, was this Pascal's Wager? :)

Any math involved in this? (Please say no.)

Supernatural involved at all?

Are PC's relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:47 pm

Ok, was this Pascal's Wager? :) No. Neither party is God, The Devil, The Perverse Master, or someone else's god.

Any math involved in this? (Please say no.) Not on the solver's part :P

Supernatural involved at all? no

Are PC's relevant? No, but explore
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:41 am

Are these postcards digitally re/produced and printed out somehow?

Are faxes relevant?

Was this early 20th century? middle? later?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:18 am

Are these postcards digitally re/produced and printed out somehow? no

Are faxes relevant? no

Was this early 20th century? middle? later? middle to later
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Is there a specific technological item relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:26 am

Is there a specific technological item relevant? Yes; but what the machine does is more relevant than what it is
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Does the machine do anything related to (ugh) mathematics? calculator or some such?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:12 am

Does the machine do anything related to (ugh) mathematics? calculator or some such? no to both
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Is the machine electronic?
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Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:23 am

Was it the introduction of email or perhaps faxes that changed the nature of communications in this situation? Did Jack ever communicate the same sign off electronically?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:04 pm

Grip

Is the machine electronic? Often yes, nowadays. Initially, no.

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Was it the introduction of email or perhaps faxes that changed the nature of communications in this situation? No - in an alternate tech timeline, Jack could have sent an e-mail or fax with the same sentiment before the relevant variable changed Did Jack ever communicate the same sign off electronically? no
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Is this machine handheld?
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Is this machine handheld? no
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:30 pm

Does this machine make noise? light up? play music? dance? is it related to gambling?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:26 pm

Does this machine make noise? yes, but this isn't what it's designed to do light up? relatively rarely play music? dance? no to both is it related to gambling? Not by design. In this circumstance, it was used in the process of the 'wager' that took place.
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Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:39 pm

Do we still use those same machines today?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:46 pm

Do we still use those same machines today? The machines, at a general level, are still in common use.
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Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:48 pm

Were the machines computers?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:54 pm

Were the machines computers? no (although more modern ones will have computerised aspects)
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Typewriter?
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Typewriter? no
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Did the machine have some form of keyboard?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:07 pm

Did the machine have some form of keyboard? They typically (at least now) have a key pad.
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Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:08 pm

Phone?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:14 pm

Phone? no
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Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Is the machine used for communication?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:16 pm

Is the machine used for communication? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Photocopier?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:20 pm

Photocopier? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:31 pm

Just to check, was this machine used in the purchase or sending of the postcards? Was it used to convey a message?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:38 pm

Just to check, was this machine used in the purchase or sending of the postcards? No, it wasn't...

...although it can be.

Was it used to convey a message? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:47 pm

Did he own the machine himself or did he have to use one that was available to the public? Or did someone else use this machine?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:49 pm

Did he own the machine himself or did he have to use one that was available to the public? this Or did someone else use this machine? No, Dave did, the contemptible scoundrel.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:52 pm

Did Dave take a machine away from Jack and this was Jack's way of saying that he could manage without it?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:53 pm

Did Dave take a machine away from Jack and this was Jack's way of saying that he could manage without it? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:55 pm

So Dave owned his own machine and Jack didn't?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:17 pm

So Dave owned his own machine and Jack didn't? no, neither owned the machine. Dave relevantly used it; Jack did not.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:27 pm

Was it a cash register?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:29 pm

Was it a cash register? No, although we're getting quite warm.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:36 pm

Was it a machine that issued stamps?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:39 pm

Is it a vending machine? of snacks? drinks?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:43 pm

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Was it a machine that issued yes stamps? not in this instance

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Is it a vending machine? yes! of snacks? drinks? no!
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:44 pm

Vending machine of postcards?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:45 pm

Vending machine of postcards? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:48 pm

Vending machine of umbrellas (they have them in Bergen)? Toothpaste and other things you might have forgotten at a hotel?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:50 pm

Vending machine of umbrellas (they have them in Bergen)? no (I've been to Bergen, but missed those) Toothpaste and other things you might have forgotten at a hotel? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:52 pm

Was it a cash changer? Giving coins for notes/bills?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:52 pm

Was it a cash changer? Giving coins for notes/bills? no - it was a vending machine that vended something
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:54 pm

Ticket machine?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:58 pm

Ticket machine? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:01 am

Lottery tickets?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:03 am

Lottery tickets? No (OTRT)
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:04 am

Did Jack send the postcards to show his own luck in something? Rubbing it in with his friend?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:08 am

Did Jack send the postcards to show his own luck in something? yope to yesish Rubbing it in with his friend? yes
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:10 am

I'm off now. Thanks for answering quickly. Haven't had an evening of quickfire q and a s for years!
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:11 am

In Japan, they have vending machines for umbrellas too. They have vending machines for everything. I'm not exaggerating either.

Is it a machine that dispenses lottery scratch off cards? (I'm rather familiar with those!)
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:53 am

In Japan, they have vending machines for umbrellas too. They have vending machines for everything. I'm not exaggerating either. I've been told one can even buy underwear from vending machines...

Is it a machine that dispenses lottery scratch off cards? (I'm rather familiar with those!) no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:12 am

Machine that dispenses smoking material? fortunes? ghosts?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:01 am

Is a prize competition involved?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:02 pm

Was the machine on a fairground?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:49 pm

Does it provide something edible? Drinkable? Disposable? Expensive? Amusing? Electronic? Flammable?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:52 pm

Grip

Machine that dispenses smoking material? fortunes? ghosts? no to all, and you've left me with the mental image of René Descartes and Gilbert Ryle standing in line with a roll of quarters, ready to be dispensed some sweet, sweet Cartesian Dualism.

LemonCurry

Is a prize competition involved? Not really, although there are a lot of similar elements at play - a dark-humoured comedian might call it a prize competition, but it would be for dramatic effect only.

Lynne

Was the machine on a fairground? No, but this is a useful line of questioning

GalFisk

Does it provide something edible? Drinkable? Disposable? no to these Expensive? no, and this is a large part of its appeal Amusing? Electronic? no to these Flammable? yes (at least as it pertains to the physical manifestation of this thing)
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:57 pm

Cigarette machine?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:06 pm

They have machines that dispense Cartesian Dualism in Japan, you know.

Does it dispense lighters? matches? is it at a bar?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:13 pm

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Cigarette machine? No - but I definitely see the connection with 'wager'

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They have machines that dispense Cartesian Dualism in Japan, you know. Not only can you get ghosts in the machine, you can get ghosts in the shell.

Does it dispense lighters? matches? no to these is it at a bar? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:24 pm

Was it an arcade type machine?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:05 pm

Was it an arcade type machine? No, far more serious.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:15 pm

Are these vending machines found on streets, bus/train stations, in specialised locations?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:36 pm

Are these vending machines found on streets no, bus/train stations no but oRT, in specialised locations? yes
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:45 pm

In airports?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:00 pm

In airports? Yes!
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:16 pm

So to recap. He sent postcards. There is an airport vending machine which doesn't vend tickets, stamps, food or drink, postcards, toiletries, umbrellas, Cartesian Dualism, cigarettes or other smoking accessories, and a fairground is a useful line of questioning, but an amusement arcade isn't serious enough.

OK, luggage carousel? Machine that sells souvenir destination stickers?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:50 pm

So to recap. He sent postcards. Jack does, yes There is an airport vending machine which doesn't vend tickets, stamps, food or drink, postcards, toiletries, umbrellas, Cartesian Dualism, cigarettes or other smoking accessories, correct and a fairground is a useful line of questioning the useful line of questioning was as to where one encounters these machines; this has now been established, but an amusement arcade isn't serious enough. You would most emphatically not find this manner of vending machine in an amusement arcade

OK, luggage carousel? A vending machine for luggage carousels? No Machine that sells souvenir destination stickers? no
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:54 pm

Does this machine dispense something related to airlines or car rental? does it dispense guidebooks? brochures? reading material?

WG - does the machine dispense postcards?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:57 pm

I was still going with the fairground connection and carousel sounded about right, and a vending machine spits things out rather like luggage on the carousel. But back to the serious issue - we still have to find what vending machine it was?
Do they still have them today? Ah, newspapers?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:57 pm

Does this machine dispense something related to airlines yesish or car rental? does it dispense guidebooks? brochures? reading material? no to rest

WG - does the machine dispense postcards? No
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:59 pm

I was still going with the fairground connection and carousel sounded about right, and a vending machine spits things out rather like luggage on the carousel. But back to the serious issue - we still have to find what vending machine it was? Once this is established, it will become abundantly clear what's going on
Do they still have them today? In East Asia, yes. However, they are discontinued in most parts of the world, including the part where Dave Lives (somewhere in the anglosphere, no further detail required) Ah, newspapers? No.
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Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:19 pm

Guns???
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:25 pm

There used to be machines that vended flight insurance...is that it?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:29 pm

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Guns??? No. I don't think gun vending machines exist outside of fake news articles designed to scare American liberals. I could be wrong.

Grip

There used to be machines that vended flight insurance...is that it? Yes!!!

It should all fall into place now.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:38 pm

Was Dave buying travel insurance and Jack was proving he had actually gone to those places by sending a postcard which would have an authentic postmark on it?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:41 pm

It should all fall into place now. You would think so...

Is Dave trying to get flight insurance? or actually was buying it somehow?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:34 am

Lynne

Was Dave buying travel insurance he was buying some sort of insurance, yes and Jack was proving he had actually gone to those places he was proving he had arrived at these places, yes by sending a postcard which would have an authentic postmark on it? yes

Grip

Is Dave trying to get flight insurance? or actually was buying it somehow? Dave succeeded in buying the insurance he was after

I'm conscious the term 'flight insurance' may be leading to ambiguities...
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:38 am

Was Dave buying accident insurance? life insurance?
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:44 am

Was Dave buying accident insurance? life insurance? <-- This!
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:10 pm

Was Dave buying life insurance on Jack's life, on the hope that Jack might die in an air crash and he himself would get rich in the process, but Jack's postcards were proof that no accident happened, he was still alive and therefore 'Better luck next time, you contemptible scoundrel'.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer'

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:52 pm

***** SPOILER *****

As Lynne put it:

Dave was buying life insurance on Jack's life, on the hope that Jack might die in an air crash and he himself would get rich in the process, but Jack's postcards were proof that no accident happened, he was still alive and therefore 'Better luck next time, you contemptible scoundrel'.


Congratulations, Lynne - you got it! Well done also to Grip for a great contribution. This is a true story - my father used to do it to a friend and colleague. Airport vending machine life insurance was cheap enough that he could always do this on a lark in the hope of capitalising on his friend's tragedy. Their relationship was an interesting one.
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer' [SOLVED]

Postby Lynne » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:10 pm

Interesting relationship indeed!
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Re: [WiZ] I just like the words 'bureau drawer' [SOLVED]

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:52 pm

Sure, I can see how that...huh? Good puzzle, though!
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