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[WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:03 pm

Why did a priest approach a statue of St. Patrick and cut one of its fingers off with a hacksaw?


True story. Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:17 am

Relevant that he (?) is a priest? Relevant that it‘s St Patrick? Was the severed finger meant to represent something? Northern Ireland relevant? (That would be too easy I suppose)
Was something special with the statue? The finger? Was it in its original state? Graffiti or vandalism (other than cutting off the finger) relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby peter365 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:40 pm

One would think I might have an advantage here but I've never heard this story .

Relevant which finger? Does something adorn that particular finger? Is the statue controversial in any way? Does this happen on March 17th?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby trebor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:35 am

Relevant what the statue is made of? And just to be sure, he cuts off one of St. Peter’s fingers and not the finger of someone else on the statue, right? Was he going to use the finger for something in a church? On church grounds?

Uh, did he need to make his hacksaw dull?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:58 am

LemonCurry

Relevant that he (?) is a priest? somewhat Relevant that it‘s St Patrick? no Was the severed finger meant to represent something? no Northern Ireland relevant? not to this puzzle (That would be too easy I suppose)
Was something special with the statue? yes The finger? no Was it in its original state? no! Graffiti or vandalism (other than cutting off the finger) relevant? no to both

Peter

Relevant which finger? yes Does something adorn that particular finger? no Is the statue controversial in any way? yes Does this happen on March 17th? not relevantly; assume no

Trebor

Relevant what the statue is made of? no And just to be sure, he cuts off one of St. Peter’s fingers and not the finger of someone else on the statue, right? correct Was he going to use the finger for something in a church? no On church grounds? no

Uh, did he need to make his hacksaw dull? no
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby trebor » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:06 am

Does he cut off the pointer finger? Middle? Ring? Pinky? On the left hand? Right hand? Was the finger making a rude gesture?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:26 am

Is the finger going to be reattached? replaced with another finger? replaced with something else?

Have they found the original finger and want to put it back in place?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:00 am

Trebor

Does he cut off the pointer finger? Middle? this; no to rest Ring? Pinky? On the left hand? Right hand? irrelevant Was the finger making a rude gesture? Yes! Why?

LemonCurry

Is the finger going to be reattached? replaced with another finger? replaced with something else? no to all, at least in the short term

Have they found the original finger and want to put it back in place? no
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:46 am

So The statue was giving the finger to people? Was it tampered with? Was it moved? Had light conditions changed? Was it relevantly casting a shadow?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:59 am

Did the maker of the statue mean for it to cause controversy? Was an extended middle finger considered rude when it was made?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:22 pm

LemonCurry

So The statue was giving the finger to people? yes Was it tampered with? no Was it moved? no Had light conditions changed? no Was it relevantly casting a shadow? no

GalFisk

Did the maker of the statue mean for it to cause controversy? no Was an extended middle finger considered rude when it was made? yes
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:46 am

Was there something else missing to the original statue? If so, on the middle finger? Covering it? Or maybe some piece of the statue missing? Was St.Patrick the only subject of the statue? Was the statue in the middle of a square? Inside a church? Relevant its location? With other statues? If so, did the middle finger belong to another statue (e.g. it was the support of another statue)?
Was the rude gesture intentionally made? If so toward someone who deserved it? Was there a story about it? Was the statue relevantly restored?

Was it meant to be a middle finger originally? Was he giving the middle finger to people or maybe he was simply grabbing a bible/book so that it seemed that he was giving the middle finger? Was he indicating something relevant? Was the finger leaning on something? On his face maybe? Was he doing something relevant? Was he praying?

Can we assume that the rest of the fingers were closed and the middle finger intentionally left above the other fingers in a rude manner (or maybe the hand was originally opened but the rest of the fingers were cut)? To be sure: did the priest cut the finger just because of the rude gesture that resulted? Did he take the decision long time before? Had the statue always been in the same conditions of when the priest cut the finger?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby trebor » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:59 pm

Is it relevant when the statue was made? Or who made it? Can it be said that the artist who made it was simply clueless that it might give offense? Relevant what the statue is made out of?

Had the statue been positioned to be making a rude gesture towards someone or something? (I just giggled imagining it being rigged to a pulley system and being suspended parallel to the ground, giving the old FU to Hell.)
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:59 pm

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Was there something else missing to the original statue? at what time? If so, on the middle finger? Covering it? no to these Or maybe some piece of the statue missing? yes, at some relevant point Was St.Patrick the only subject of the statue? yes Was the statue in the middle of a square? no Inside a church? no Relevant its location? somewhat With other statues? no If so, did the middle finger belong to another statue (e.g. it was the support of another statue)? n/a
Was the rude gesture intentionally made? If so toward someone who deserved it? Was there a story about it? Was the statue relevantly restored?

Was it meant to be a middle finger originally? yes Was he giving the middle finger to people this is how it appeared or maybe he was simply grabbing a bible/book so that it seemed that he was giving the middle finger? no Was he indicating something relevant? no Was the finger leaning on something? no On his face maybe? n/a Was he doing something relevant? yes Was he praying? no

Can we assume that the rest of the fingers were closed and the middle finger intentionally left above the other fingers in a rude manner no (or maybe the hand was originally opened but the rest of the fingers were cut this! how?)? To be sure: did the priest cut the finger just because of the rude gesture that resulted? yes Did he take the decision long time before? no Had the statue always been in the same conditions of when the priest cut the finger? no, good q

Trebor

Is it relevant when the statue was made? Or who made it? no to both Can it be said that the artist who made it was simply clueless that it might give offense? no Relevant what the statue is made out of? not really, although some materials are would be precluded by the solution

Had the statue been positioned to be making a rude gesture towards someone or something? (I just giggled imagining it being rigged to a pulley system and being suspended parallel to the ground, giving the old FU to Hell.) no, but a delicious mental image
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:03 am

Were the rest of the fingers intentionally cut? By vandals? By faithfuls? By priests? If they were intentionally cut, was it done for religious/cultural/historical reasons? Relevant St.Patrick history? St.Patrick day? Activities done on St.Patricks day?

Relevant if it was the right or left hand? If so, were fingers on the other hand untouched? Was the other hand in a similar position of the one with the cut fingers? Palm to palm?

During a war? During celebrations? A natural disaster? Were they dangerous (e.g. they were going to fall down from a height)? In danger? Do birds perch on them?
Were the fingers used for something relevant?

Were the rest of the fingers cut all in once? By different people in different times? By the same person? At the same time?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:36 pm

Were the rest of the fingers intentionally cut? no By vandals? By faithfuls? By priests? n/a to all If they were intentionally cut, was it done for religious/cultural/historical reasons? Relevant St.Patrick history? St.Patrick day? Activities done on St.Patricks day? n/a to all

Relevant if it was the right or left hand? no If so, were fingers on the other hand untouched? but yes Was the other hand in a similar position of the one with the cut fingers? no Palm to palm? no

During a war? During celebrations? no to both A natural disaster? yesish! Were they dangerous (e.g. they were going to fall down from a height)? In danger? Do birds perch on them? no/irrel to all
Were the fingers used for something relevant?

Were the rest of the fingers cut no all in once? yes By different people in different times? no to both By the same person? no/FA At the same time? yes
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:12 am

Natural disaster = flood? Rain? Lighrnings? Fire? (E.g. people was burned under the statue?) Noises? it damaged only fingers? Something that fall (e.g. a stone) ? An earthquake? Relevant why the middle finger had not been damaged? Was it in a different position with respect to other fingers (e.g. he was counting...)? Was it more resistent (e.g. it had a ring which reinforced the statue)? Structure of the statue relevant? Animals relevant? Erosion? Material of the statue? Did the hand lie on something opened? Was something hanged on the fingers? Restorations relevant? (E.g. middle finger was already restored)

Was the statue inside the building? Outside? Did fingers fall? Were polverized? Was the middle finger added after the other fingers?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby trebor » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:00 pm

Were the rest of the fingers cut (for lack of a better word) minutes before the priest cut off the middle finger? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:50 pm

Natural disaster = flood? Rain? Lighrnings? this

***** SPOILER *****

The statue was outside, at the hilltop entrance to Brú na Bóinne. It had initially held up a hand in a gesture of blessing, but it had been struck by lightning and lost all but its (extended) middle finger. Preferring a fingerless St. Peter to one flipping the tourists off (some may prefer otherwise), the Priest removed the offending digit.


Well done, Earnest, on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing!
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Re: [WiZ] An Irish Puzzle [PUT A FINGER ON IT]

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:09 am

Actually I googled it but just one statue of St. Patrick appears. Btw very interesting puzzle. I am curious about the reactions of people after the cut
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