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[WiZ] And now, a Stylistic Return to the Classics

Postby WiZ » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:04 am

A man's house is broken into and several valuables are stolen. The thieves flee unseen, leaving no clues at the scene, and no way to trace them. However, they are apprehended within the week, before they have had a chance to sell the goods. How?

ROIMBT. Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:53 am

Are the thieves H/A? Is the relation between the thieves and the victim relevant?

Relevant what was stolen? Was it rare? Were zhe stolen goods recognized? Would the puzzle work with the thieves just stealing cash?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:43 am

Relevant how many thieves? More than 5? More than 3?

To be sure, were they apprhended for having stolen in the man's house specifically? For having committed other crimes? Did they relevantly come back at the scene of crime? If so all together? Relevant where they hide the goods? Did they make use of airports/publoc means? Can we assume that the owner owned the goods regularly? That the valuables were not themselves stolen/illegal and the owner bought them in a legal way? Insurance relevant (e.g. things like the owner stole from himself...)? Did the victim know the thieves? Suspect of them? Was inside the house when they stole the valuables?

Is it relevant that they wanted to sell the goods? Did they want to sell them on the internet? To someone relevant?
Did they know the price of the goods? Did they stole a specific amount of valuables (e.g. coinciding with a debt that the owner had specifically with them?)? Were the valuables a particular kind of good: clothing? Gold? Paintings? Jewelery? Techmology (e.g. they stole cameras that were connected to a tv in the house and were catched as soon as they tried the cameras)? Others?

Is what lead to the arrest of the thieves: a) the goods? b) they were eventually recognised? c) they unvoluntarily admit their fault? d) traces? e) fingerprints (e.g. they stole something that opened with just the fingerprints of the owner and of someone else which was able to open it)? f) others?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:33 am

Was it possible to apprehend them because: the valuables were located? They were identified? A search was done? Is some other crime relevant? If so, a crime they committed? WAG: did they hide the swag in the woods, and it was found by people searching for something unrelated? Such as a missing person? Animals involved?
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Postby Lynne » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:24 am

No clues left at the scene but were there clues elsewhere?

Was at least one of the thieves wearing an electronic tag and he'd broken his curfew?
Did they steal the man's car? Did GPS help in recovering it? Did any of the goods have tracking within them?
Was there something like 'Find my iPhone'?
Was there a sting operation?
Did a drone find the goods?

Did the thieves take something that ended up poisoning at least one of them? Perhaps subcutaneously?
Building on an idea by Earnest - did they steal a camera and a selfie that they took went straight to his cloud?

CCTV involved? Amazon Ring doorbell?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:32 am

LemonCurry

Are the thieves H/A? yes to both Is the relation between the thieves and the victim relevant? no

Relevant what was stolen? yes Was it rare? no Were zhe stolen goods recognized? eventually, yes Would the puzzle work with the thieves just stealing cash? no

Earnest

Relevant how many thieves? no More than 5? More than 3? n/a to both, although both are plausible

To be sure, were they apprhended for having stolen in the man's house specifically? yes For having committed other crimes? no Did they relevantly come back at the scene of crime? no If so all together? n/a Relevant where they hide the goods? define 'hid' Did they make use of airports/publoc means? no Can we assume that the owner owned the goods regularly? yes That the valuables were not themselves stolen/illegal and the owner bought them in a legal way? yes Insurance relevant (e.g. things like the owner stole from himself...)? not in this case Did the victim know the thieves? Suspect of them? no to these Was inside the house when they stole the valuables? irrel, but possibly

Is it relevant that they wanted to sell the goods? no Did they want to sell them on the internet? To someone relevant? irrel to both
Did they know the price of the goods? no Did they stole a specific amount of valuables (e.g. coinciding with a debt that the owner had specifically with them?)? no Were the valuables a particular kind of good yes: clothing? Gold? Paintings? Jewelery? no to these Techmology yes (e.g. they stole cameras that were connected to a tv in the house and were catched as soon as they tried the cameras) but not in this vein? Others? no

Is what lead to the arrest of the thieves: a) the goods? yes b) they were eventually recognised? yes c) they unvoluntarily admit their fault? yes d) traces? e) fingerprints (e.g. they stole something that opened with just the fingerprints of the owner and of someone else which was able to open it)? f) others? no to rest

GalFisk

Was it possible to apprehend them because: the valuables were located? They were identified? yes to both A search was done? no Is some other crime relevant? no If so, a crime they committed? no WAG: did they hide the swag in the woods, and it was found by people searching for something unrelated? no to this Such as a missing person? n/a Animals involved? no

Lynne

No clues left at the scene but were there clues elsewhere? define 'clues'

Was at least one of the thieves wearing an electronic tag and he'd broken his curfew? no
Did they steal the man's car? no Did GPS help in recovering it? no Did any of the goods have tracking within them? no
Was there something like 'Find my iPhone'? no
Was there a sting operation? no
Did a drone find the goods? no

Did the thieves take something that ended up poisoning at least one of them? no Perhaps subcutaneously? no
Building on an idea by Earnest - did they steal a camera and a selfie that they took went straight to his cloud? no

CCTV involved? no Amazon Ring doorbell? no
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:37 am

Social media relevant? Internet?

Were the goods stolen unique in some way? (e.g. customized by the owner? With relevant security measures that just the owner was aware of? With passwords? With something relevant that needed to be modified by the thieves in order to sell the goods? A dedication? An autograph?)
Any of then were stolen: guitars? Microphones? Phones? Laptops? TVs? Google maps relevant? Automatic position? A collection of rare LPs? CDs? DVDs? Cars? Appliances? Weapons? Golden usb pen drivers? Science tools? Tools in general? Garage door openers? Something requiring a relevant password? Voice recognition?
Were the goods of the same nature (e.g. all laptops, all phones...) or were them different goods?
Is any interaction with something else that they had relevant? (E.g. they stole phones to the house and soon later the chargers from a shop)

Did they relevantly advertise the goods somehow in order to sell them? Did they sell the goods separately? Relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:36 pm

Social media relevant? Internet? no to both

Were the goods stolen unique in some way? no (e.g. customized by the owner? With relevant security measures that just the owner was aware of? With passwords? With something relevant that needed to be modified by the thieves in order to sell the goods? A dedication? An autograph?) no to these examples
Any of then were stolen: guitars? Microphones? Phones? Laptops? TVs? no to all Google maps relevant? Automatic position? no to these A collection of rare LPs? CDs? DVDs? Cars? no to these Appliances? yes Weapons? no Golden usb pen drivers? no, and oddly specific Science tools? no Tools in general? more or less; see above Garage door openers? no Something requiring a relevant password? Voice recognition? no to these
Were the goods of the same nature (e.g. all laptops, all phones...) or were them different goods? there was a mixture; not strictly relevant
Is any interaction with something else that they had relevant? no, to go by your example (E.g. they stole phones to the house and soon later the chargers from a shop)

Did they relevantly advertise the goods somehow in order to sell them? Did they sell the goods separately? Relevant? no/irrel to all
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Postby irishelk » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:40 am

Is it the case that they took several items, but one electronic appliance is relevant to their discovery?

Did what they stole relevantly make a noise? Light up?

Was the item recognized while it was in the thieves' possession? While they were trying to sell it? Was it recognized by the original owner? By police? By someone else?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:31 pm

Did they use the appliances/expose them?
Appliances transportation relevant? Design? Brand?
Did they hide them? Did they break into the house by faking to be workers of a transportation company? Did they work for someone relevant? Were there witnesses?
Did they try to make appliances look as new/never used?

Do they bring appliances all in the same place? Did they stole appliances also from other houses? Did they try to contact the man whose house has been robbed? Did they forget to steal something? Was it a trap for the thieves? Was the house left opened? Did the man expect that appliances would have been stolen? Did they stole for instance a fridge but with food in inside? Appliances with something relevant in inside?
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Postby trebor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:09 am

Were they kitchen appliances? Did they attempt to use the appliances during the robbery? After it? If so, did they malfunction?

Is it relevant how the thieves were able to cover their tracks? Or what they were wearing when they committed the robbery?
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:04 pm

Was one of the appliances particularly relevant? Two of them? All of them?
Did they relevantly use the applicance(s)? Is any information contained in the appliance(s) relevant? Or any objects contained in one of them?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:36 pm

IrishElk

Is it the case that they took several items, but one electronic appliance is relevant to their discovery? correct

Did what they stole relevantly make a noise? Light up? no to both

Was the item recognized while it was in the thieves' possession? yes While they were trying to sell it? no Was it recognized by the original owner? By police? yes to both By someone else? no

Earnest

Did they use the appliances yes /expose them? yes, eventually
Appliances transportation relevant? Design? Brand? no to all
Did they hide them? no Did they break into the house by faking to be workers of a transportation company? no Did they work for someone relevant? no Were there witnesses? no
Did they try to make appliances look as new/never used? no

Do they bring appliances all in the same place? yes Did they stole appliances also from other houses? irrel Did they try to contact the man whose house has been robbed? no Did they forget to steal something? no Was it a trap for the thieves? no Was the house left opened? irrel Did the man expect that appliances would have been stolen? no Did they stole for instance a fridge but with food in inside? no Appliances with something relevant in inside? noish

Trebor

Were they kitchen appliances? yes Did they attempt to use the appliances during the robbery? no After it? yes If so, did they malfunction? yes!

Is it relevant how the thieves were able to cover their tracks? no Or what they were wearing when they committed the robbery? no

LemonCurry

Was one of the appliances particularly relevant? yes Two of them? All of them? no to both
Did they relevantly use the applicance(s)? yes Is any information contained in the appliance(s) relevant? no Or any objects contained in one of them? noish - with the same underlying logic as my 'noish' to Earnest, above
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Postby trebor » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:33 am

Are they fridges? Freezers? Is the thawing/melting meat relevant? Or of ice? Perhaps something melted and flooded their place? Or flooded an apartment below theirs?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:09 am

Are they fridges? Freezers? no to both Is the thawing/melting meat relevant? Or of ice? no to both Perhaps something melted and flooded their place? Or flooded an apartment below theirs? no to both, although the thinking is somewhat ORT
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Postby LemonCurry » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:20 am

A microwave oven? A Thermomix? (I don‘t know if this thing is common outside Germany, it‘s a ridiculously expensive programmable multi-function kitchen device with a near-religious fanbase) Did they make a meal with it? Did it produce an unpleasant smell? Taste? Health priblems?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 am

Did they relevantly use them once? More than once?
Does the malfunctioning make them unique? Make them dangerous? (E.g. gas leaks? Burns? Or maybe something like a dishwasher in a restaurant that was unable to properly clean up the dishes, leaving some detergent on them. This made the dishes poisonous) Did they use them in their house? In their place of work? Relevant?
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Postby Balin » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:03 pm

Did they try to return the malfunctioning appliance? Or bring it in to get fixed?
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Postby trebor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:59 pm

A regular oven? Coffee maker? Blender? Rice cooker? Slow cooker?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:50 pm

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A microwave oven? the specific device isn't relevant, although an aspect of it is A Thermomix? (I don‘t know if this thing is common outside Germany, it‘s a ridiculously expensive programmable multi-function kitchen device with a near-religious fanbase)

So, I googled this. Apparently the cult hasn't reached New Zealand, although it seems to have taken root in Australia. I took one look at the price and checked out, but now my Facebook feed is entirely full of ads for Thermomix.

Did they make a meal with it? yesish Did it produce an unpleasant smell? probably, but irrelevant Taste? Health priblems? no to both

Earnest

Did they relevantly use them once? More than once? They relevantly used it at least once
Does the malfunctioning make them unique? no Make them dangerous? yes (E.g. gas leaks? no Burns? yesish Or maybe something like a dishwasher in a restaurant that was unable to properly clean up the dishes, leaving some detergent on them. This made the dishes poisonous) no Did they use them in their house? yes In their place of work? no Relevant? yes

Balin

Did they try to return the malfunctioning appliance? Or bring it in to get fixed? no to both

Trebor

A regular oven? Coffee maker? As this is a true story, this is what the appliance was - but the specifics are irrelevant Blender? Rice cooker? Slow cooker?
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Postby trebor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:50 am

Did they attempt to make coffee? Did the coffee burn? Did the coffeemaker start on fire? Or cause a fire/enough smoke to set off the smoke detector? Did the water from the reservoir boil over? Were the thieves home when the malfunction occurred?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:47 am

Did they attempt to make coffee? yes Did the coffee burn? yes Did the coffeemaker start on fire? yes Or cause a fire yes /enough smoke to set off the smoke detector? Did the water from the reservoir boil over? no Were the thieves home when the malfunction occurred? yes
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:43 am

Did the fire brigade come? Was one of the firemen the victim of the burglary?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:43 am

Did the fire brigade come? yes Was one of the firemen the victim of the burglary? no
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Postby trebor » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:00 am

Relevant the profession of the victim? Was he involved in insurance claims? Did he know one of the firefighters, who recognized [the charred remains of] his coffeemaker?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:37 pm

Relevant the profession of the victim? no Was he involved in insurance claims? no Did he know one of the firefighters, who recognized [the charred remains of] his coffeemaker? no
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Postby trebor » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:47 pm

Did the thieves do something relevant between the fire starting and the fire brigade coming? Did they say anything important to the firefighters?
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