[Balin] It's not easy being green (*DISPENSED*)

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[Balin] It's not easy being green (*DISPENSED*)

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:12 pm

Tricia did something bad for the environment and was told she was doing something good for the environment. How?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:04 pm

Were the bad thing and the thing she was told were good the same thing? Related? One led to the other? Did people not realize what she was doing was bad for the environment and thought it was good? Did they claim it was good for the environment for political, business, or other self-serving reasons?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:44 pm

Was she taking the bus instead of walking? But someone though she was taking bus instead of driving? Bad for the environment: gas emissions? If so, local? Global? Resource use? Habitat destruction? Toxic waste? Waste if resources? Did she mean to do something bad for the environment? Did she know she was doing so?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Were the bad thing and the thing she was told were good the same thing? Yes Related? One led to the other? Did people not realize what she was doing was bad for the environment and thought it was good? FA Did they claim it was good for the environment for political, business, or other self-serving reasons? FA

Was she taking the bus instead of walking? No But someone though she was taking bus instead of driving? Bad for the environment: gas emissions? If so, local? Global? Resource use? Habitat destruction? Toxic waste? Waste if resources? This Did she mean to do something bad for the environment? Yes Did she know she was doing so? Yes
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:43 am

Did she leave the light on? Did she leave the water tap opened? Did she print a lot? Waste paper?
Did someone tell her that she was doing something good for the environment? Did she read somewhere? Did she hear it somewhere? Led vs normal lights relevant? Plastic involved? Recycling waste (e.g. she was putting plastic in the wrong bin. Bins were inverted as a joke and the someone telling her that she was doing something good did not know it)? Others?

If someone told her, did the someone see the full act of T or just the final act (e.g. she was turning the lights off after 24 h that were on)? Did the someone have all the information for judging her act? Did he/she tell her to carry on what she was doing? To do it another time? Did the someone know that the action was bad for the environment? (e.g. she was printing black and white instead of colored; she was at school and was asked to draw a picture in favor of the environment. In doing many tries, however she wasted a lot of paper, hence damaging the environment).
Can her action be simply classified as detrimental for the environment by someone seeing her performing it?

Good for the environment = for the environment in general? For animals? It reduced: pollution? Global warming? Cutting down trees? relevant?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:09 pm

Did she leave the light on? Did she leave the water tap opened? Close! (No to rest) Did she print a lot? Waste paper?
Did someone tell her that she was doing something good for the environment? No Did she read somewhere? Yes Did she hear it somewhere? No
Led vs normal lights relevant? Plastic involved? Recycling waste (e.g. she was putting plastic in the wrong bin. Bins were inverted as a joke and the someone telling her that she was doing something good did not know it)? No to these Others? Yes, by default

If someone told her, did the someone see the full act of T or just the final act (e.g. she was turning the lights off after 24 h that were on)? Did the someone have all the information for judging her act? Did he/she tell her to carry on what she was doing? To do it another time? Did the someone know that the action was bad for the environment? (e.g. she was printing black and white instead of colored; she was at school and was asked to draw a picture in favor of the environment. In doing many tries, however she wasted a lot of paper, hence damaging the environment). As no one told her, N/A

Can her action be simply classified as detrimental for the environment by someone seeing her performing it? Yes

Good for the environment = for the environment in general? This For animals? It reduced: pollution? This Global warming? Cutting down trees? relevant? Yes
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:03 am

Is it in fact both good and detrimental for the environment? (E.g. water the plants but leave the closet on?)

Is water wasting relevant? Did she know that her action was bad for environment? Relevant who told her that she was doing something good? If so, someone that did not see the "bad part" for the environment? Someone that did want her to perform the action? A sign? Are protests relevant? Did she read a signal? Is trash relevant? Chemical elements? Bacteria? Washing hands? Hygene? Cleaning?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby GalFisk » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:13 pm

Did she waste cold water? Hot water? Some other liquid? Drains relevant? Leaks? Is the fact that hot water needs to travel from the heater to the tap relevant? The fact that hot water from the faucet is not considered potable? Cooking relevant? Washing dishes? Clothes? Oneself? Brushing teeth? Showering? Bathing? Swimming? Watering? Flushing the toilet?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:45 pm

Is it in fact both good and detrimental for the environment? No (E.g. water the plants but leave the closet on?) No

Is water wasting relevant? Yes Did she know that her action was bad for environment? Yes Relevant who told her that she was doing something good? Not "who" - remember the FA If so, someone that did not see the "bad part" for the environment? Someone that did want her to perform the action? A sign? Are protests relevant? Did she read a signal? Is trash relevant? Chemical elements? Bacteria? Washing hands? Hygene? Cleaning? No to all

Did she waste cold water? This Hot water? Some other liquid? Drains relevant? Leaks? Neither Is the fact that hot water needs to travel from the heater to the tap relevant? The fact that hot water from the faucet is not considered potable? Neither Cooking relevant? Washing dishes? Clothes? Oneself? Brushing teeth? Showering? Bathing? Swimming? Watering? Flushing the toilet? None of these
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:06 am

Was the wasted water evaporated? Poured down the drain? Poured outside? Was it used for something? Just wasted without doing anything useful? Was it used for cooling something? Moistening something? Was it tap water? Rainwater? Did she do it out of laziness? Malice? Cheapness? Greed?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am

Was it good for the environment the same way it was bad?
Good for environment in that: it reduced pollution? It allowed a company to finance water protection? Is water energy relevant ? Hydropower? Sustainable energy?

Is it common to waste water the same way she does? Did she waste water regularly (every day? every week?)? For a long time? Did she waste tons of water? Had she wanted, could she have avoided to waste water? Does she waste water inside her house? In bedroom? Bathroom? Kitchen? Living room? Garden? Or maybe in the street? While walking?
Would she had avoided to waste water by stopping doing an action (e.g. stopping using a device, stopping traveling by car, buying a product, others?)? By starting doing an action? Process of manufacturing products relevant?

Not "who" - remember the FA --> so was it a phone? A technological device? A recorded voice? A cartoon? A fictional character? (e.g. a speaking animal) A label? A newspaper? A book? A document? A video? Lyrics of a song?
To be sure...did the something (?) speak her language? And talked about planet Earth, right?

Water wasting =are we talking about drinkable water? Potentially drinkable water? using more than necessary? Not reusing it when it can be instead reused? Using a device that wasted water when instead it could be saved by performing another action? Using a device when it was not necessary (e.g. washing dishes inside the dishwasher for two dishes? Or the washing machine for a pair of socks) Did she heat the water? Did she waste water directly? Indirectly (e.g. a mixture containing also water?) Did she see the water that she was wasting while wasting it (in contrast for instance, she bought a product of a company wasting water)? If so, she saw the water flushing? Drunk by someone?
Was the. water naturally cold? Artificially (e.g. it had been made cold inside a fridge or by living it outside after having heated it...)?

Pollution = smoke? Water pollution (cleaning water/ allow for more drinkable water?)? Producing more waste than necessary?

Are blowing bubbles relevant? Water guns? Toys? Fountains? Would an adult waste water as she did? Oh wait...Tricia = HCF? HAF? If HAF, relevant her job? Are laws relevant? News? Exact water dosages? Stopping fires?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:47 pm

Was the wasted water evaporated? Poured down the drain? This Poured outside? Was it used for something? Just wasted without doing anything useful? This Was it used for cooling something? Moistening something? Neither Was it tap water? This, though not from a tap or faucet Rainwater? Did she do it out of laziness? Malice? Cheapness? Greed? Possibly malice, possibly amusement

Was it good for the environment the same way it was bad? No
Good for environment in that: it reduced pollution? This It allowed a company to finance water protection? Is water energy relevant ? Hydropower? Sustainable energy? None of these

Is it common to waste water the same way she does? No Did she waste water regularly (every day? every week?)? No For a long time? No Did she waste tons of water? No Had she wanted, could she have avoided to waste water? Yes Does she waste water inside her house? In bedroom? Bathroom? Kitchen? Living room? Garden? Or maybe in the street? While walking? None of these
Would she had avoided to waste water by stopping doing an action Yes (e.g. stopping using a device, This stopping traveling by car, buying a product, others?)? By starting doing an action? Process of manufacturing products relevant? No

Not "who" - remember the FA --> so was it a phone? A technological device? This A recorded voice? A cartoon? A fictional character? (e.g. a speaking animal) A label? A newspaper? A book? A document? A video? Lyrics of a song?
To be sure...did the something (?) speak her language? Yes, though it did not speak And talked about planet Earth, right? Yes

Water wasting =are we talking about drinkable water? Yes Potentially drinkable water? using more than necessary? Rather,not "using" it at all Not reusing it when it can be instead reused? Using a device that wasted water when instead it could be saved by performing another action? Yes Using a device when it was not necessary (e.g. washing dishes inside the dishwasher for two dishes? Or the washing machine for a pair of socks) Did she heat the water? No Did she waste water directly? This Indirectly (e.g. a mixture containing also water?) Did she see the water that she was wasting while wasting it Yes (in contrast for instance, she bought a product of a company wasting water)? If so, she saw the water flushing? Going down a drain Drunk by someone?
Was the. water naturally cold? Artificially (e.g. it had been made cold inside a fridge or by living it outside after having heated it...)? See below

Pollution = smoke? No Water pollution (cleaning water/ allow for more drinkable water?)? Producing more waste than necessary? Again, just straight-up wasting water

Are blowing bubbles relevant? Water guns? Toys? Fountains? This Would an adult waste water as she did? Possibly Oh wait...Tricia = HCF? HAF? Assume this, but neither age nor gender is relevant If HAF, relevant her job? No Are laws relevant? News? Exact water dosages? Stopping fires? No
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:36 am

Fountains activated while it was raining? Fountains that are activated by a technological device (if so, did she activate it directly)? Activated through a photocell? (e.g. she could have just followed another path in order not to activate the photocell...but maybe following the path that she followed she avoided polluting somehow: for instance she walked instead of using the car)
Swimming pools relevant? Fountain like a fountain of a park? Of a swimming pool? Or a water dispenser?
Did she feel empty bottles with the water dispenser? Plastic bottles? Glass bottles? relevant? (e.g. trade-off between using glass instead of plastic but at the same time wasting water when filling bottles?)
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:32 pm

Fountains activated while it was raining? No Fountains that are activated by a technological device Yope (if so, did she activate it directly)? Yes Activated through a photocell? Not quite sure what you mean by this (e.g. she could have just followed another path in order not to activate the photocell...but maybe following the path that she followed she avoided polluting somehow: for instance she walked instead of using the car) No
Swimming pools relevant? No Fountain like a fountain of a park? Of a swimming pool? Or a water dispenser? This
Did she feel empty bottles with the water dispenser? No Plastic bottles? Glass bottles? relevant? Yes (e.g. trade-off between using glass instead of plastic but at the same time wasting water when filling bottles?) No
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:19 am

Hygene relevant? Washing bottles? Had he used plastic bottles would he have still wasted water from fountain?

Breaking glass relevant? Breaking bottles?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:01 pm

Hygene relevant? No Washing bottles? No Had she used plastic bottles would he have still wasted water from fountain? No

Breaking glass relevant? No Breaking bottles? No
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:00 am

Was there a start/stop mechanism on the fountain (e.g. a button to be pushed when someone wants water to be dispensed?)? Relevant?
Did she want to drink the water of the fountain? That someone else drink it? (E.g. her dog?) To wash her face after a run? Not doing anything special? (E.g. the fountain was part of a nativity scene and turns on automatically?)

Can we assume she just go to the fountain, turn on the fountain and then leaves? Relevant where the fountain is located? Outside? In a park? In her garden? In inside? In her office? In her place of work? In a bathroom? Does the fountain turn on automatically?

Benefit claimed for the environment: in turning on the fountain? In turning on that fountain instead of someone else? In turning on the fountain and then stopping it? Maybe the fountain allowed her to use something enviromentally-friendly?

Open hot water in order the water of another device to become hotter faster?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:58 am

Was there a start/stop mechanism on the fountain Yes (e.g. a button to be pushed when someone wants water to be dispensed?)? Yes, but there's another relevant start/stop mechanism Relevant? No
Did she want to drink the water of the fountain? That someone else drink it? (E.g. her dog?) To wash her face after a run? Not doing anything special? This - she just wanted to waste it (E.g. the fountain was part of a nativity scene and turns on automatically?)

Can we assume she just go to the fountain, turn on the fountain and then leaves? She is at the fountain for the entire course of the puzzle Relevant where the fountain is located? No Outside? In a park? In her garden? In inside? In her office? In her place of work? In a bathroom? I've seen fountains like this at schools and gyms, and I'm sure they exist at other public places Does the fountain turn on automatically? No

Benefit claimed for the environment: in turning on the fountain? This is only partially it In turning on that fountain instead of someone else? In turning on the fountain and then stopping it? Maybe the fountain allowed her to use something enviromentally-friendly? Yope

Open hot water in order the water of another device to become hotter faster? No
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:40 am

Yes, but there's another relevant start/stop mechanism --> were there writings relevantly (e.g. in red and in green)? related to the fountain? Was she curious about being how the mechanism worked? Was the mechanism automatic? Or maybe the fountain was for a fee (need to insert money to activate it and after a while it turned off?)? Relevant the structure of the fountain? How it works? How is it made? A water machine? Usually used by people to fill bottles? Were there more than a fountain? If so, did she waste water from all of them relevantly? Was the relevant start-stop mechanism related to the water flowing from other fountains (e.g. if a fountain is turned on, the other turn off/ go to a lower speed power)?

This - she just wanted to waste it --> to make it flow? To see how it flew down? Are different speed powers relevant? Did the water flow down very slowly when wasted (e.g. as if someone forgot to turn it off completely)? At different speeds? Was she making something good for the environment in wasting it? In wasting it and not another water source?

Was she making a joke to someone? Trying to solve an issue related to the fountain? (e.g. water flow, automatic dispensing) Prevent that someone else use it (maybe a little WAG-ish --> in wasting water, people hear it flow down and think that a certain room is occupied; or maybe think that the fountain cannot be used. This prevented for instance children to waste much more water than she was doing)? Is interaction with other people relevant?

Maybe the fountain allowed her to use something environmentally-friendly? Yope --> another device? Another water dispensing device? Another fountain? Did she relevantly touch/have interactions with the water? Does the water flowing down the fountain: go down a drain? gather somewhere else (at a basin/bucket...?)? Relevant?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:51 pm

Yes, but there's another relevant start/stop mechanism --> were there writings relevantly (e.g. in red and in green)? related to the fountain? Was she curious about being how the mechanism worked? Was the mechanism automatic? Or maybe the fountain was for a fee (need to insert money to activate it and after a while it turned off?)? No to all
Relevant the structure of the fountain? How it works? Yes How is it made? A water machine? Usually used by people to fill bottles? Yes Were there more than a fountain? Irrel If so, did she waste water from all of them relevantly? Was the relevant start-stop mechanism related to the water flowing from other fountains (e.g. if a fountain is turned on, the other turn off/ go to a lower speed power)? No to unanswered

This - she just wanted to waste it --> to make it flow? To see how it flew down? Are different speed powers relevant? Did the water flow down very slowly when wasted (e.g. as if someone forgot to turn it off completely)? At different speeds? Was she making something good for the environment in wasting it? In wasting it and not another water source? No to all

Was she making a joke to someone? Yes Trying to solve an issue related to the fountain? (e.g. water flow, automatic dispensing) Prevent that someone else use it (maybe a little WAG-ish --> in wasting water, people hear it flow down and think that a certain room is occupied; or maybe think that the fountain cannot be used. This prevented for instance children to waste much more water than she was doing)? Is interaction with other people relevant? No to unanswered

Maybe the fountain allowed her to use something environmentally-friendly? Yope --> another device? Another water dispensing device? Another fountain? Did she relevantly touch/have interactions with the water? No to all
Does the water flowing down the fountain: go down a drain? This gather somewhere else (at a basin/bucket...?)? Relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby trebor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:13 pm

Was it one of those fountains that starts dispensing water automatically when you put a bottle under the sensor? And she put a bottle there and didn’t remove it? Or put a closed bottle there? Something that’s not a bottle at all?

Ah. Was the encouragement she read the display on the fountain that said “You have saved x plastic bottles”?
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:33 pm

Was it one of those fountains that starts dispensing water automatically when you put a bottle under the sensor? Yes! And she put a bottle there and didn’t remove it? Or put a closed bottle there? Something that’s not a bottle at all? This

Ah. Was the encouragement she read the display on the fountain that said “You have saved x plastic bottles”? That's two straight solves - way to go!

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Tricia held her hand in front of a sensor on a water fountain. As the water poured down the drain, the display on the fountain saying "You have saved XXXX plastic bottles" kept going up.
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green (*DISPENSED*)

Postby trebor » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:28 am

I hope you don’t mind, Earnest, that I just kind of jumped in there. I’d been meaning to join the puzzle earlier, and I saw you skirting around it for the last few posts. Thanks for the puzzle, Balin!
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Re: [Balin] It's not easy being green (*DISPENSED*)

Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:16 am

Well done trebor and very nice puzzle Balin! Trebor, the forum is amazing for this! Puzzles are of course meant to be solved by everyone and it's always great to have someone that gives you another way to see things :)
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