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[Balin] Bars and stripes (*ARRESTED*)

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:49 pm

A man spends most of a two-month period in prison. He was never in prison before this time, and he is never imprisoned afterwards. He has committed no crime and does not work at the prison. Why then is he there?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:06 am

Is he actually incarcerated? In a cell? Is he accused of a crime? Convicted of one he did not commit?

Is he camping? Carrying out a bet? Visiting someone?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:44 am

Pablo Escobar relevant?

Was the it a prison from a long time? Did he know it was a prison? Did he spend the time in a cellar? Can we assume that it was a normal prison with prisoners and whatsoever? Or maybe a destroyed prison (e.g. war times and it was a building like the others) or an abandoned prison? Did he spend the 2 months there voluntarily? Did someone send him here? Was it convenient for him to spend the 2 months there? Was he paid to to do so? After the 2 months in the prison was his criminal record clean (as if he never stayed in prison)? Religion relevant? Was there some relevant prisoner?

Relevant his job? Maybe he worked in the building near the prison? Or maybe he was an architect/designer? A painter? A writer? Politician (e.g. he was protesting/making propaganda)? Others?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby gregoryuconn » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:35 pm

Was he wrongfully accused of a crime? "Spends most of a two month period" ---> All day most days? Most of the day every day? Most of the day most days?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Is he actually incarcerated? No In a cell? No Is he accused of a crime? No Convicted of one he did not commit? No

Is he camping? Carrying out a bet? Visiting someone? No to all

Pablo Escobar relevant? No

Was the it a prison from a long time? No Did he know it was a prison? Yes Did he spend the time in a cellar? No Can we assume that it was a normal prison with prisoners and whatsoever? No Or maybe a destroyed prison (e.g. war times and it was a building like the others) or an abandoned prison? Not these either Did he spend the 2 months there voluntarily? Yes Did someone send him here? No Was it convenient for him to spend the 2 months there? Yes Was he paid to to do so? No After the 2 months in the prison was his criminal record clean (as if he never stayed in prison)? Yes Religion relevant? No Was there some relevant prisoner? Yes

Relevant his job? No Maybe he worked in the building near the prison? No Or maybe he was an architect/designer? A painter? A writer? Politician (e.g. he was protesting/making propaganda)? None of these Others? His job is irrel

Was he wrongfully accused of a crime? No "Spends most of a two month period" ---> All day most days? Most of the day every day? This Most of the day most days?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:57 am

Johnny Cash relevant? (e.g. he went several times in the prison to make the reversal of Folsom Prison Blues?) Painting or inspiration relevant?

Did he look similar to another criminal (e.g. he was the double or something similar)? Was it dangerous for him to stay in prison? Was it convenient for him to stay in prison for the two months (like in Monopoly when you have many properties xD)? Maybe in order not to be seen/noticed by someone (e.g. he was exchanged by a visitor/a criminal)? Not to be accused/legally persecuted by someone? Did he dress like a prisoner? Did the same activities of the prisoners? Spend the time with prisoners? Spend the time with guards? With no-one in particular? With dogs (e.g. the dogs of the guards) (WAG --> the guards were all engaged in war or somewhere else and the prison had been left to very few guards that were not able to keep it. In order the prison to be efficient and dogs or other animals employed there not to die, people went voluntarily there to help)?
Did he accuse himself for something?

Can we assume that it was a normal prison with prisoners and whatsoever? No --> to be sure...are we talking about a prison for humans? A prison for criminals? Military prison? Psychiatric prison? High security prison? Juvenile? Was it a prison for prisoners having committed particular crimes? Murderer? death row? zoo (a sort of prison for animals)? Were there criminals in the prison? Or maybe crazy people/people with relevant clinical conditions? War prisoners? Innocents? Other people like him? Was it legally considered a prison? Had someone not know him, was it relevantly evident/not evident that he was not a criminal and he was not legally detained in the prison? That he voluntarily went to the prison? Did news talk about him?

Relevant what he does the rest of the day that he does not spend in prison? E.g. he goes back home (does he have one?)? Relevant in which part of the day he was not at the prison? Morning? Evening? Afternoon? Night? Depends on the day?

Was there some relevant prisoner? Yes --> did he know such prisoner? Was the prisoner a friend of him? A relative? A parent? A colleague? In his same conditions (e.g. the relevant prisoner stayed in the prison for a limited amount of time and voluntarily?)? Was the relevant prisoner in the prison when he was there? Maybe the prisoner was a t the hospital/somewhere else? Relevant the crime he was accused for? Did he commit such a crime? Was the relevant prisoner detained since a long time from when the man started to go to the prison?

Did he plan in advance to spend exactly 2 months in the prison? After the 2 months: did someone die (the relevant prisoner?)? Was the man safe? Did something happen? He had the inspiration?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby trebor » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:39 pm

When you say he doesn’t work at the prison, do you mean that he doesn’t work for the penal system? Or that he doesn’t do anything pertaining to his profession while there? (Perhaps he was a cop sent undercover to befriend a prisoner, for example.)

Bars and stripes... was he involved in the construction/painting/decorating of the prison?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:40 pm

Johnny Cash relevant? No, nice idea though (e.g. he went several times in the prison to make the reversal of Folsom Prison Blues?) Painting or inspiration relevant? No

Did he look similar to another criminal No (e.g. he was the double or something similar)? No Was it dangerous for him to stay in prison? No Was it convenient for him to stay in prison for the two months Yes (like in Monopoly when you have many properties xD)? Ha! But it's not Monopoly Maybe in order not to be seen/noticed by someone No (e.g. he was exchanged by a visitor/a criminal)? No Not to be accused/legally persecuted by someone? No Did he dress like a prisoner? No Did the same activities of the prisoners? No Spend the time with prisoners? Yes, one prisoner Spend the time with guards? With any present, Yes With no-one in particular? No With dogs No (e.g. the dogs of the guards) (No WAG --> the guards were all engaged in war or somewhere else and the prison had been left to very few guards that were not able to keep it. In order the prison to be efficient and dogs or other animals employed there not to die, people went voluntarily there to help)? Nice idea, but No
Did he accuse himself for something? No

Can we assume that it was a normal prison with prisoners and whatsoever? No --> to be sure...are we talking about a prison for humans? Yes, but see above A prison for criminals? Yes, see above Military prison? No Psychiatric prison? No High security prison? No Juvenile? No Was it a prison for prisoners having committed particular crimes? See above Murderer? No death row? No zoo No (a sort of prison for animals)? No Were there criminals in the prison? Yes, see above Or maybe crazy people/people with relevant clinical conditions? No War prisoners? No Innocents? No, per the setting Other people like him? Not sure how to answer this Was it legally considered a prison? Yes Had someone not know him, was it relevantly evident/not evident that he was not a criminal and he was not legally detained in the prison? Yes That he voluntarily went to the prison? Yes Did news talk about him? I don't know - possibly

Relevant what he does the rest of the day that he does not spend in prison? No E.g. he goes back home FA (does he have one?)? Yes Relevant in which part of the day he was not at the prison? Yes Morning? Evening? Afternoon? Night? Morning through afternoon, presumably Depends on the day? No

Was there some relevant prisoner? Yes --> did he know such prisoner? Yes Was the prisoner a friend of him? A relative? This, his brother A parent? A colleague? In his same conditions No (e.g. the relevant prisoner stayed in the prison for a limited amount of time and voluntarily?)? No Was the relevant prisoner in the prison when he was there? Yes Maybe the prisoner was a t the hospital/somewhere else? No Relevant the crime he was accused for? No Did he commit such a crime? He did what he was accused of, Yes Was the relevant prisoner detained since a long time from when the man started to go to the prison? No

Did he plan in advance to spend exactly 2 months in the prison? No After the 2 months: did someone die Yes (the relevant prisoner?)? Yes Was the man safe? Yes Did something happen? See earlier He had the inspiration? No

When you say he doesn’t work at the prison, do you mean that he doesn’t work for the penal system? Yes Or that he doesn’t do anything pertaining to his profession while there? This can also be assumed (Perhaps he was a cop sent undercover to befriend a prisoner, for example.) No

Bars and stripes... was he involved in the construction/painting/decorating of the prison? No. Title is irrel
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby trebor » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:25 pm

Were he and his brother conjoined twins? And the brother had a day pass to go to work or something? (That would be a harrowing twist on the classic!)

Failing that, did the man know his brother was at death’s door, and so arrangements were made for them to be together for the brief time? Perhaps in a prison hospital? Did the prisoner have some condition, disease, etc., that his brother helped with?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:17 pm

Did he had dinner with the brother? Bring something from outside of the prison? Allow him to do something? Did the brother die for natural reasons? Did he kill him? Was he executed? did he know that the brother would have died in 2 months?E.g. he did want that the brother recognized him as heir? Did they have other relatives? Did they go to visit him in prison as he does? Is it relevant legally who is the last one having seen the prisoner? Did he want that the guards recognize him as the only relative?

Did he mainly: talk with the brother? Read? Pray? Call someone? Watch TV? Eat? Make company? Avoid that the brother screams/do something relevant? sleep? Wash him? Assist him? Give a relevant drug/medicine? Did anyone know that they were relatives?

not at the prison? Yes Morning? Evening? Afternoon? Night? Morning through afternoon, presumably --> so he was basically at the prison just during evening/night?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:04 pm

Were he and his brother conjoined twins? And the brother had a day pass to go to work or something? (That would be a harrowing twist on the classic!) No, but that's a very clever idea!

Failing that, did the man know his brother was at death’s door, and so arrangements were made for them to be together for the brief time? Yes Perhaps in a prison hospital? No Did the prisoner have some condition, disease, etc., that his brother helped with? No

Did he had dinner with the brother? Possibly Bring something from outside of the prison? No Allow him to do something? No Did the brother die for natural reasons? Yes Did he kill him? No Was he executed? No did he know that the brother would have died in 2 months? Yes E.g. he did want that the brother recognized him as heir? Irrel Did they have other relatives? Irrel Did they go to visit him in prison as he does? FA Is it relevant legally who is the last one having seen the prisoner? No Did he want that the guards recognize him as the only relative? No

Did he mainly: talk with the brother? Read? Pray? Call someone? Watch TV? Eat? Make company? Avoid that the brother screams/do something relevant? sleep? Wash him? Assist him? Give a relevant drug/medicine? Exactly what they did together is irrel Did anyone know that they were relatives? Yes

not at the prison? Yes Morning? Evening? Afternoon? Night? Morning through afternoon, presumably --> so he was basically at the prison just during evening/night? Early morning and all evening
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby trebor » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:12 pm

Trying to figure out what was abnormal about the prison... was the brother free to leave during the day? Were there other human prisoners? Was everybody else in the prison alive? Did the brother expect to die at about the time he did before entering the prison? After spending some time there?

Would the man have been in danger if he hadn’t been in prison early in the morning and in the evening? Can we call the man Adam? And the prisoner-brother Bob? Is religion relevant? Does it matter what direction a window in the cell faces? Whether there were any windows at all?

Is it relevant what natural cause Bob died of? What crime Bob had committed?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:00 pm

Trying to figure out what was abnormal about the prison... was the brother free to leave during the day? No Were there other human prisoners? No Was everybody else in the prison alive? Yes, see previous Did the brother expect to die at about the time he did before entering the prison? Yes After spending some time there? Yes

Would the man have been in danger if he hadn’t been in prison early in the morning and in the evening? No Can we call the man Adam? And the prisoner-brother Bob? Sure Is religion relevant? No Does it matter what direction a window in the cell faces? Whether there were any windows at all? Neither

Is it relevant what natural cause Bob died of? What crime Bob had committed? Neither
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby trebor » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:57 pm

Were there non-human prisoners? Was Bob the only prisoner? Was the prison built to house only one prisoner at a time? Tower of London? Is this modern-day?

If Bob hadn't been imprisoned would Adam still have spent time in the prison? Did he have a residence of his own at the time? Relevant where Bob had been living prior to being incarcerated?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:49 am

Were there non-human prisoners? No Was Bob the only prisoner? Yes Was the prison built to house only one prisoner at a time? No Tower of London? No Is this modern-day? This is based on a true event from the 1970s

If Bob hadn't been imprisoned would Adam still have spent time in the prison? Yes Did he have a residence of his own at the time? Yes Relevant where Bob had been living prior to being incarcerated? FA, I think
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby trebor » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:52 pm

I'm trying to figure out how there could be an FA about Bob living somewhere before being incarcerated when he was aware he was a terminal case prior to entering the prison. It seems to me you can only enter a prison if you're not already in it.

Had Bob and Adam been living together before Bob was imprisoned? Had Bob been homeless? Had he lived in a house? Apartment? Relevant? Relevant what type of dwelling Adam lives in?

During Bob's tenure in the prison had anyone else been imprisoned there? If so, had they been released? Had they died and their bodies been removed? If they died, had they died of the same thing Bob died of? If Bob hadn't been a terminal case but had still committed his crime would he have been imprisoned there? In a different prison? Is this a place where terminally ill inmates go? Did Adam want to die?

So Adam would've spent time in the prison even if Bob weren't there. The same amount of time? More time? Less time? Would he have still spent early mornings and all evening/night there? Was he avoiding some natural phenomena? Natural disasters relevant? Man-made? Would it be fair to say that Adam's primary purpose in staying at the prison was not to spend time with his brother? Did Bob's imprisonment simply make it easier for Adam to stay there?

Are there any other people relevant? Does Adam have any relevant physical conditions? Mental? Relevant what age the brothers are? What country this takes place in? The geography of the prison area? Or the area around Adam's residence? Is the prison in the same locale as Adam's residence? Over 100 km away? In another country?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:09 pm

I'm trying to figure out how there could be an FA about Bob living somewhere before being incarcerated when he was aware he was a terminal case prior to entering the prison. It seems to me you can only enter a prison if you're not already in it. I'm not sure how to answer this question before revealing the answer to the puzzle... I'll say the FA involves Bob becoming imprisoned.

Had Bob and Adam been living together before Bob was imprisoned? Yes, but see the above FA Had Bob been homeless? No Had he lived in a house? Yes Apartment? Relevant? Yes, see above Relevant what type of dwelling Adam lives in? See above

During Bob's tenure in the prison had anyone else been imprisoned there? No If so, had they been released? Had they died and their bodies been removed? If they died, had they died of the same thing Bob died of? If Bob hadn't been a terminal case but had still committed his crime would he have been imprisoned there? No In a different prison? Yes Is this a place where terminally ill inmates go? Yope - this may help! Did Adam want to die? No

So Adam would've spent time in the prison even if Bob weren't there. Yes The same amount of time? Yes More time? Less time? Would he have still spent early mornings and all evening/night there? Yes Was he avoiding some natural phenomena? No Natural disasters relevant? No Man-made? No Would it be fair to say that Adam's primary purpose in staying at the prison was not to spend time with his brother? Yes Did Bob's imprisonment simply make it easier for Adam to stay there? Neither easier nor harder

Are there any other people relevant? No Does Adam have any relevant physical conditions? No Mental? No Relevant what age the brothers are? No What country this takes place in? Not really, but the true event this is based on took place in a country in Africa The geography of the prison area? No Or the area around Adam's residence? Yope Is the prison in the same locale as Adam's residence? Yes Over 100 km away? No In another country? No
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby rosetinted » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:13 am

Was Bob born in the prison? Was it a different building repurposed as a prison? Was Bob under house arrest? Did Adam live in the prison? (all kind of stretches but worth a shot)

Did being in this prison help to treat Bob somehow? Was it possible to put Bob in a different prison? Is it relevant why Adam left during mornings/afternoons?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:48 pm

Was Bob born in the prison? No Was it a different building repurposed as a prison? I wouldn't say "repurposed," but Yes Was Bob under house arrest? Nor would I say "house arrest," but Yes Did Adam live in the prison? Yes (all kind of stretches but worth a shot) Very Yes

Did being in this prison help to treat Bob somehow? He was terminally ill, so No Was it possible to put Bob in a different prison? Yes Is it relevant why Adam left during mornings/afternoons? It might help establish the setting
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby trebor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:38 pm

Was the prison Adam’s house? (Or one he and Adam both lived in?) Had Bob previously been housed in an actual prison?, and because he was drying he was moved to be with his brother? Did the house legally become a prison while Bob was there? And Adam went to work/ran errands during the day and then was home as usual at night? Do terminally ill patients get the option of dying at home?
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:29 pm

Was the prison Adam’s house? Had Bob previously been housed in an actual prison?, and because he was drying he was moved to be with his brother? Did the house legally become a prison while Bob was there? And Adam went to work/ran errands during the day and then was home as usual at night? Exactly right on all counts!

****SPOILER****

This was based on the death of lawyer and anti-apartheid activist Bram Fischer, who was imprisoned for nearly the last 10 years of his life. In 1975, terminally ill, he was moved to his brother's house to spent his final days; for the two months of his incarceration, the house was legally designated a prison for holding Fischer. So while Fischer was under house arrest there, his brother lived in a South African prison.

Well-solved.
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Re: [Balin] Bars and stripes (*ARRESTED*)

Postby trebor » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:28 am

My god.
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