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[IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby irishelk » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:29 pm

Two coworkers, Derek and Nelly, had a brief and pleasant text conversation. It made Derek quite annoyed. Nelly appreciated the positive chat at the time, but was annoyed by it later. Why?
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby Earnest » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:19 am

Derek = HAM? Nelly = HAF?

brief and pleasant text conversation --> at work? with phone? With PC? With letters? relevant? Did they know that they were writing to each other? (e.g. letters to Juliet inn which basically people send anonymous mails)

Had they chatted before? Is the topic of the conversation relevant? Was it about work?
About hobbies? About love?
Relevant the reason why the had a text conversation rather than a face to face conversation? Relevant their work? Did they know each other? Did they work in the same building? Or maybe for the same firm but in different places? Was there work mainly online?

Was Derek annoyed when Nelly was not and viceversa? Or irrelevant whether the other of the two was annoyed one was? Were the two annoyed for the same reason in the two different time periods? If so: for the topic of the chat? For the notifications arriving? For the fact that written words remain (and could hence been shown to someone else)? Had the conversation been face to face, would they have been annoyed? If so, in two different time periods as in the statement? In the same period? Soon after the conversation? Years later?

later = hours later? days? months? seconds? years? Did they keep on chatting? Is any notification relevant? (e.g. they used a software that classifies the pops up the profiles of people according to the previous interactions. Since the two only interacted directly to each other, each time Nelly opened the chat, Derek's face/news popped up)
Were the two still coworkers when Nelly was annoyed? Assuming they were annoyed in 2 different time slots, relevant the position of Nelly with respect to Derek (or viceversa) at work in the 2 time slots? Did one of the two have an advancement in career?
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby irishelk » Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:27 pm

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Derek = HAM? Nelly = HAF? Yes.

brief and pleasant text conversation --> at work? with phone? This. With PC? With letters? relevant? Did they know that they were writing to each other? Yes.

Had they chatted before? Yes. Is the topic of the conversation relevant? Yes. Was it about work? Yes.
About hobbies? About love? No to rest.
Relevant the reason why the had a text conversation rather than a face to face conversation? Not really. Relevant their work? Yes. Did they know each other? Yes. Did they work in the same building? Yes. Or maybe for the same firm but in different places? At the time of the puzzle, they physically work together. Was there work mainly online? No.

Was Derek annoyed when Nelly was not and viceversa? Derek was annoyed throughout, Nelly only became annoyed later. Or irrelevant whether the other of the two was annoyed one was?
Were the two annoyed for the same reason in the two different time periods? Not exactly, but for related reasons. If so: for the topic of the chat? Yes. For the notifications arriving? No. For the fact that written words remain (and could hence been shown to someone else)? No. Had the conversation been face to face, would they have been annoyed? Yes. If so, in two different time periods as in the statement? Yes. In the same period? Soon after the conversation? Years later? It would largely be the same whether in person or via text.

later = hours later? days? Hours or a couple days. months? seconds? years? Did they keep on chatting? No. Is any notification relevant? No. (e.g. they used a software that classifies the pops up the profiles of people according to the previous interactions. Since the two only interacted directly to each other, each time Nelly opened the chat, Derek's face/news popped up) No, good guess!

Were the two still coworkers when Nelly was annoyed? Yes. Assuming they were annoyed in 2 different time slots, relevant the position of Nelly with respect to Derek (or viceversa) at work in the 2 time slots? Yesish. Did one of the two have an advancement in career? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby Balin » Sun May 03, 2020 3:24 pm

Is their precise job relevant?
Did they talk on mobile phones? On landlines? On their work phones?
Is either (or both) of their names relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 05, 2020 11:41 am

Do they both think the conversation is pleasant? Is it in a pleasant tone? In agreement? Is there a relevant undercurrent? Any relevant ommissions or untruths? Did Nelly intend for Derek to be annoyed? Vice versa? Did the annoyance relevantly show up in any of the text? Did Nelly become annoyed because fo something that happened? Something she realized? Such as a double meaning of a word or phrase?
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby irishelk » Tue May 19, 2020 1:04 pm

Balin

Is their precise job relevant? Yes.
Did they talk on mobile phones? Assume this, but largely irr. On landlines? On their work phones?
Is either (or both) of their names relevant? No.


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Do they both think the conversation is pleasant? At the time, Nelly does, Derek...hard to say. Is it in a pleasant tone? Yes. In agreement? Yes. Is there a relevant undercurrent? Yesish. Any relevant ommissions or untruths? You could vaguely call it untruths. Did Nelly intend for Derek to be annoyed? No. Vice versa? YES. Did the annoyance relevantly show up in any of the text? No. Did Nelly become annoyed because fo something that happened? That the convo itself happened, yes.Something she realized? Yes. Such as a double meaning of a word or phrase? Not really.
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue May 19, 2020 8:20 pm

Did the conversation interrupt something that Derek was doing? Did the texting make a relevant noise?

(For example: Derek is in a meeting and his phone keeps going off.)
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby irishelk » Tue May 19, 2020 10:06 pm

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Did the conversation interrupt something that Derek was doing? No. Did the texting make a relevant noise? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby GalFisk » Sat May 23, 2020 8:56 am

Could Nelly have become annoyed during the conversation? Did Derek do anything besides having the conversation, in order to cause the annoyance? Such as doing something, giving the impression that he'd done something else during the convo, with resulting annoyance when she found out the discrepancy? Did she make a false assumption? Relevant why Derek wanted to annoy her? Was it revenge for something? Did he do unto her as she had previously done unto him? Are they office workers? Do they work outdoors? Is the annoyance mean-spirited? Lighthearted? Do they work with humans? Animals? Machines? Tools?
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby hominid » Mon May 25, 2020 11:15 pm

Are Derek and Nelly annoyed at each other? At their employer? At another coworker? At someone else relevant to their job (e.g. a customer)? At someone else entirely? At their working conditions? Did Derek think Nelly was also annoyed while the conversation was going on? Did he expect her to become annoyed during the course of the conversation? After the conversation? Did Nelly find out some relevant information after the conversation took place? Did she make the realization because a certain amount of time had passed? Or did she just make the realization because she thought about the conversation a bit harder?

You said that the conversation made Derek annoyed--so this means that Derek was not annoyed at the beginning of the conversation? Did he become annoyed because of something Nelly wrote?
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby irishelk » Tue May 26, 2020 5:07 pm

GalFisk

Could Nelly have become annoyed during the conversation? If she realized something earlier, sure.
Did Derek do anything besides having the conversation, in order to cause the annoyance? Yes. Such as doing something, giving the impression that he'd done something else during the convo, with resulting annoyance when she found out the discrepancy? Not exactly. Did she make a false assumption? No.
Relevant why Derek wanted to annoy her? Yes, or at least it should help. Was it revenge for something? No. Did he do unto her as she had previously done unto him? No. Are they office workers? No. Do they work outdoors? Sometimes. Is the annoyance mean-spirited? Debatable. Lighthearted? Derek would say so. I'd say...unnecessarily rude. Do they work with humans? Yes. Animals? Machines? Tools? To others--likely sometimes, but not relevant to the puzzle.


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Are Derek and Nelly annoyed at each other? Yes. At their employer? Nelly, yes. At another coworker? At someone else relevant to their job (e.g. a customer)? At someone else entirely? At their working conditions? No to rest.
Did Derek think Nelly was also annoyed while the conversation was going on? No. Did he expect her to become annoyed during the course of the conversation? YES. After the conversation? Possibly, but not for the reason that she did. Did Nelly find out some relevant information after the conversation took place? Yes. Did she make the realization because a certain amount of time had passed? No. Or did she just make the realization because she thought about the conversation a bit harder? She might have figured it out this way, but in fact she did learn other information.

You said that the conversation made Derek annoyed--so this means that Derek was not annoyed at the beginning of the conversation? Yes. Did he become annoyed because of something Nelly wrote? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Backwards Lake

Postby Balin » Tue May 26, 2020 6:00 pm

Do Derek and Nellly work in a blue-collar job? White-collar? Pink-collar?
Is Derek currently annoyed at their employer? If so, did Derek want Nelly to feel the same annoyance?
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